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To the two ladies at Dingwall Road bus stop in Croydon at 16.15pm today ...

315 replies

ArbitersCarbiters · 14/09/2018 16:53

It is never acceptable for you (without permission) to reach out and touch a black woman’s hair.

How would you feel if a complete stranger came up to you on the street, complimented your hair cut and then immediately reached out their hands to run it through your hair?

You crossed an unacceptable boundary in doing so.

In case you were still wondering:
(A) One of you being 72 years of age is not an excuse.
(B) You thinking it is beautiful and that your actions were meant as a compliment is not an excuse.
(C) The owner of said hair smiling and laughing it off is not an excuse.*

*This is most important because as soon as she got on that bus i.e. away from your inappropriate wandering hands, she expressed that she was exhausted after a long day at work, froze when you did what you did and didn’t have the wherewithal or energy to tell you how unacceptable it was for fear of hurting your feelings and/or being labelled as aggressive/overreacting. I know this feeling well as I have very often experienced and felt the same thing (so has she in the past, in case you were wondering). This is why I spoke for her. This is why I told you it was not an acceptable thing to act so intimately with a person you had never met. This is why I told you that she had said nothing to you for fear that she would cause you offence. In doing so, I was speaking for the many of us who have to put up with this shit everyday.

I imagine you will go home and talk about the angry busybody black woman who had the temerity to question your right to touch another woman’s hair. Let it be known that I spoke to you politely, with a smile and no discernible anger in my voice. But trust me when I tell you that I was angry. Remember this the next time you feel like complimenting someone in such a demeaning, inappropriate way. We are not pets whose fur you can ruffle at will. We are not children. We are women, just like you, who hold the right to go about our daily business without fear of being touched intimately by a stranger.

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OP posts:
JohnLapsleyParlabane · 14/09/2018 16:54

Yanbu. And thank you for taking a stand.

NotMyFinestMoment · 14/09/2018 17:01

YANBU and I have the greatest respect for you for speaking up. Your post needs to be made public and go in the papers so everybody can see it.

Buxtonstill · 14/09/2018 17:03

Vicarious.

PerkingFaintly · 14/09/2018 17:03

YANBU. At all.

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TooManyPaws · 14/09/2018 17:04

FFS. How can ANYONE think that this was an acceptable thing to do? Age is no excuse; my parents would be in their late 90s were they still alive and they would never have dreamed of doing this.

iklboo · 14/09/2018 17:07

@NorrisButter - what on earth do you mean?

RangeRider · 14/09/2018 17:08

I'm sure she'd have done exactly the same to a white woman who had nice / unusual hair. It doesn't make it right - you shouldn't touch other peoples' hair etc. without permission - but it's not confined to black women. I've had people stroke the back of my head in the past when I've had my head partly shaved because it's fuzzy...

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 14/09/2018 17:09

Hmmmm, I have very curly hair & have frequently had it touched by randomers & told it's lovely/beautiful etc, never once has it occurred to me to give a fuck about it-maybe I'm just odd, who knows... I'm white-does that make a difference?

BrightLightsAndSound · 14/09/2018 17:10

Excellent and beautifully written

jaychops · 14/09/2018 17:11

YABU - but only by saying it's unacceptable to touch a black woman's hair. It's unacceptable to touch any woman's hair without their permission, regardless of race.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:11

I'm white-does that make a difference?

Yes.

OP well bloody done for taking a stand and speaking up. I’ve never understood why people think it is ok to do that, it’s so invasive.

I’m white too btw, I’ve just seen enough of my friends go through that shite to realise the impact it has.

MissusGeneHunt · 14/09/2018 17:11

"How would you feel if a complete stranger came up to you on the street, complimented your hair cut and then immediately reached out their hands to run it through your hair?"

Properly pissed off and aggrieved, OP. Good on you for saying what you did, and moreso, for being eloquent and polite - has more effect, IME.

ADastardlyThing · 14/09/2018 17:12

Well done op but I'm trying to to work out if you got on the bus, spoke to the lady, then got off the bus to speak to the two women?

people are always fingering my hair too and it's very annoying.

Buxtonstill · 14/09/2018 17:13

Someone over-stepped a boundary. You want to let everyone know what a hero you are. I doubt whether she thought she could do this because of the lady's skin colour. People over step boundaries all the time. People have touched my curly hair, It has nothing to do with the colour of my skin. Yes, you are a busy body.

SecretWitch · 14/09/2018 17:14

Thank you. This has happened to friends and it was shocking.

Believeitornot · 14/09/2018 17:15

I’m on the fence on this one.

Someone can complement your hair yes - but touching is a step too far regardless of race. I wouldn’t make it a race issue because, to me, it isn’t one. It’s about personal boundaries.

I say this as someone who is mixed race and has had plenty of unwanted touches and comments from people.

I can understand people being curious about different hair textures - hell I’m curious to know what it’s like to have smooth long straight hair which swishes when you walk. I most certainly wouldn’t be touching anyone’s though.

sonlypuppyfat · 14/09/2018 17:16

My friends kids have got red hair, everyone comments and touches it

Laiste · 14/09/2018 17:17

There was a piece on Breakfast news about this exact thing this morning wasn't there? What a coincidence!

Aeroflotgirl · 14/09/2018 17:17

I think you overreacted, they probably thought they were being complimentary, and not because of her afro hair. People do this to babies, and kids, or others regarding clothes, or hair or unusual features. If the lady wanted you to intercept on your behalf, she would have asked you. I would feel embarassed if somebody did this on my behalf, I would prefer to deal with it myself. Her response was to just shrug it off.

ImFreeToDoWhatIWant · 14/09/2018 17:17

I'm white and have gorgeous red curly hair - almost stereotypically Irish. As a child older people people used to do that to me all the time, touching and pulling my hair. It's not acceptable to do it to anyone, full stop.

SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:20

It's unacceptable to touch any woman's hair without their permission, regardless of race.

No, it is unacceptable to touch anybody without their permission regardless of sex or race.

SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:21

they probably thought they were being complimentary

That is completely irrelevant.

SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:23

“Your hair is gorgeous!” = compliment
Running your hands through someone’s hair = completely inappropriate.

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 14/09/2018 17:23

I'm white-does that make a difference?
Yes

How? Hmm

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