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To the two ladies at Dingwall Road bus stop in Croydon at 16.15pm today ...

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ArbitersCarbiters · 14/09/2018 16:53

It is never acceptable for you (without permission) to reach out and touch a black woman’s hair.

How would you feel if a complete stranger came up to you on the street, complimented your hair cut and then immediately reached out their hands to run it through your hair?

You crossed an unacceptable boundary in doing so.

In case you were still wondering:
(A) One of you being 72 years of age is not an excuse.
(B) You thinking it is beautiful and that your actions were meant as a compliment is not an excuse.
(C) The owner of said hair smiling and laughing it off is not an excuse.*

*This is most important because as soon as she got on that bus i.e. away from your inappropriate wandering hands, she expressed that she was exhausted after a long day at work, froze when you did what you did and didn’t have the wherewithal or energy to tell you how unacceptable it was for fear of hurting your feelings and/or being labelled as aggressive/overreacting. I know this feeling well as I have very often experienced and felt the same thing (so has she in the past, in case you were wondering). This is why I spoke for her. This is why I told you it was not an acceptable thing to act so intimately with a person you had never met. This is why I told you that she had said nothing to you for fear that she would cause you offence. In doing so, I was speaking for the many of us who have to put up with this shit everyday.

I imagine you will go home and talk about the angry busybody black woman who had the temerity to question your right to touch another woman’s hair. Let it be known that I spoke to you politely, with a smile and no discernible anger in my voice. But trust me when I tell you that I was angry. Remember this the next time you feel like complimenting someone in such a demeaning, inappropriate way. We are not pets whose fur you can ruffle at will. We are not children. We are women, just like you, who hold the right to go about our daily business without fear of being touched intimately by a stranger.

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OP posts:
WorraLiberty · 14/09/2018 17:26

Nobody should be touching anyone's hair without permission.

But perhaps the OP is making it into a race thing, because it happens more often to black people?

jaychops · 14/09/2018 17:26

@soupdragon thank you for expanding on my comment, that's exactly what I meant!

Nottotheirstandards · 14/09/2018 17:26

Has nothing to do with race or skin colour. It's rude regardless

MeAgainSparkle · 14/09/2018 17:27

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ADastardlyThing · 14/09/2018 17:27

No it makes no difference, It's still weird when someone does it.

Ive had someone TRY TO PLAIT MY HAIR once Shock while queuing for my dinner!

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:27

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom any need for the Hmm?

Ask any black woman how many fucking twats have taken it upon themselves to touch her hair, comment on it like she’s in a bloody exhibition, invade her personal space.

Just because you don’t get it, doesn’t make it fake.

NorrisButter · 14/09/2018 17:29

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BastardGoDarkly · 14/09/2018 17:29

So when you 'spoke for her' you had no idea if she minded or not?

What did the touchers say? Didn't they say... OH, sorry, did you mind? . To the woman?

Hmm
SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:29

Consider your virtue well and truly signalled OP

Don’t be an idiot.

Fairyliz · 14/09/2018 17:29

So for reading this thread it appears that most people wouldn't want their hair touched, but the odd person doesn't mind.
So the lesson you would teach your child is never touch strangers without their permission.
However the op has turned it into a race issue which is really sad.

MeAgainSparkle · 14/09/2018 17:31

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NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 14/09/2018 17:31

There was every need for it Hen as the OP & seemingly you are happy to make it out to be a race issue & it really, really isn't

LoveManyTrustfew · 14/09/2018 17:31

Bet they are the sort of people who touch pregnancy bumps.

Rhondacross · 14/09/2018 17:32

OK Op, you're a hero. I honestly don't see what being black has to do with the price of chips. It would be invasive and wrong regardless of race or colour.
Being perfectly honest, if it happened to me, and was obviously kindly meant but ill advised, I wouldn't be that bothered. I'd also bear in mind that sometimes elderly people lose some of their boundaries in the early stages of dementia.

TovaGoldCoin · 14/09/2018 17:32

It is a Race issue. Black women and children constantly have their hair touched in public, it's a thing that happens. Listen to Black people when they say this. Mynephew is always having his locs touched, and he hates it.

RonniePickering · 14/09/2018 17:33

Nobody should be touching anyone in that way who they don't know, I'd hate to have my hair touched like that.

I can see why someone may want to feel hair texture that is different to their own though, out of curiosity.

HisBetterHalf · 14/09/2018 17:33

you should have told them all this message. Not sure why its on MN unless you know they are MN members

SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:33

In reality she should reign it in and mind her own business - it’s bugger all to do with her

Except, as a black woman, she’s had it done many times to her.

Aeroflotgirl · 14/09/2018 17:33

I totally agree MeAgain, attention seeking. Op did what she did, and it should be the end of!

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 14/09/2018 17:34

I wish people would just keep their hands off other people full stop. I don't know why they do it? I wouldn't touch anybody I didn't know very well.

I loathe that 'virtue signalling' term, I don't know who coined it but they're an idiot and so is everybody else who uses it.

SoupDragon · 14/09/2018 17:35

As for posting it onMN, well, if it makes one person think “actually, she’s right. It’s intrusive and inappropriate” then it’s a good thing.

And it seems there are a few people here who need educating in basic manners.

WorraLiberty · 14/09/2018 17:35

Bet they are the sort of people who touch pregnancy bumps.

My thoughts too!

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 17:35

There was every need for it Hen as the OP & seemingly you are happy to make it out to be a race issue & it really, really isn't

Says you.

Have a google of white privilege. Yours is showing

CrackpotsArePots · 14/09/2018 17:36

It's a race issue because she's black and black people get people touching their hair, without consent, more than white people do.

I am wondering why some of you seem so resolute in deciding that 'race issues' (whatever that means) are to be dismissed

MrsLettuce · 14/09/2018 17:37

I've had this happen pretty often too but it does seem to happen to the black women I know much, much more frequently.

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