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To the two ladies at Dingwall Road bus stop in Croydon at 16.15pm today ...

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ArbitersCarbiters · 14/09/2018 16:53

It is never acceptable for you (without permission) to reach out and touch a black woman’s hair.

How would you feel if a complete stranger came up to you on the street, complimented your hair cut and then immediately reached out their hands to run it through your hair?

You crossed an unacceptable boundary in doing so.

In case you were still wondering:
(A) One of you being 72 years of age is not an excuse.
(B) You thinking it is beautiful and that your actions were meant as a compliment is not an excuse.
(C) The owner of said hair smiling and laughing it off is not an excuse.*

*This is most important because as soon as she got on that bus i.e. away from your inappropriate wandering hands, she expressed that she was exhausted after a long day at work, froze when you did what you did and didn’t have the wherewithal or energy to tell you how unacceptable it was for fear of hurting your feelings and/or being labelled as aggressive/overreacting. I know this feeling well as I have very often experienced and felt the same thing (so has she in the past, in case you were wondering). This is why I spoke for her. This is why I told you it was not an acceptable thing to act so intimately with a person you had never met. This is why I told you that she had said nothing to you for fear that she would cause you offence. In doing so, I was speaking for the many of us who have to put up with this shit everyday.

I imagine you will go home and talk about the angry busybody black woman who had the temerity to question your right to touch another woman’s hair. Let it be known that I spoke to you politely, with a smile and no discernible anger in my voice. But trust me when I tell you that I was angry. Remember this the next time you feel like complimenting someone in such a demeaning, inappropriate way. We are not pets whose fur you can ruffle at will. We are not children. We are women, just like you, who hold the right to go about our daily business without fear of being touched intimately by a stranger.

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OP posts:
Havaina · 14/09/2018 21:13

PlinkPlink

I think you're bang on the money! I'm not black but this is how I see it.

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 14/09/2018 21:15

I can't believe people think this is OK

YANBU and sounds like you dealt with it really well.

tootiredtospeak · 14/09/2018 21:16

Plink plink its a good theory...but if the old women were not doing it out of a supposed feeling of superiority but because they lack boundaries. The problem lies with the one perceiving it as racism.

Havaina · 14/09/2018 21:16

This thread is a crock of shit and should be deleted.

Translate as: 'How dare anyone question my white view of racism!*

UsedtobeFeckless · 14/09/2018 21:16

What someone said about it being a bit of a power thing is true though - DS has waist length blond hair and gets lots of comments, no bugger tries to stroke him though because he's a 6'2 white bloke! l'm quite sure people feel that some peole can be touched more readily than others - so women and children are fair game in that their body space matters less. I'm sure that this goes double for women and children of colour.

BabySharkAteMyHamster · 14/09/2018 21:18

If we had 10 kids stood in a line. 5 black kids. 5 white kids.

And one kid walked along that line and touched each kids hair. Would the 5 black kids also be victims of racism as well as having their hair touched ??

Would it be less ok because half of the.kids were black ?? Or would common sense prevail and it's a case.of hair touching kid deciding not to keep his hands to himself ?? Hmm

ChristinaMarlowe · 14/09/2018 21:19

@Teabag5 @YeTalkShiteHen 👏 Well said throughout.

I don't know what this has become but in response to you, OP, YANBU in anything you have said - and you did the right thing in trying to help that lady understand the error of her ways.

It's a shame the original thread has been hijacked by white privilege and that creepy denial thing some people do, Black Lives Matter being responded to with All Lives Matter, it's greasy. It just makes me very uncomfortable to be around that kind of mindset and they want to be so outspoken about it! Some minds are just too small or too indoctrinated to ever see what white privilege prevents them from seeing.

TheClitterati · 14/09/2018 21:19

Sorry you experienced that OP.

My 7yo dd gets it a lot.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 14/09/2018 21:20

It also begs the question whether racism is in the perception or the intent?

TheClitterati · 14/09/2018 21:21

Of course it's a race issue!

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 14/09/2018 21:21

How is this not a race issue?!

Just because something can also happen to a white person, when it happens much more frequently to another race, it is a race issue.

US cops kill white people. They are loads more likely to kill black people. This is a race issue. You can't argue that because a white person was shot it means the police aren't racist

Extreme example but hope it illustrates my point

PaintedHorizons · 14/09/2018 21:22

Not acceptable to touch anyone's hair without permission as others have said.

White, Black or Asian. It's not just you

LilyMumsnet · 14/09/2018 21:22

Hi folks,

We tried to leave this thread up for as long as we possibly could, but we think it's beyond saving now - we're going to delete it shortly.

AnxiousPeg · 14/09/2018 21:25

Dear god. All the idiots are out tonight.

Just because it happened to you and you're white doesn't mean it happens the same amount to black people and white people . Duh.

It happens more to black people. I'm white and I know this (because you'd have to be a fucking muppet not to know this as fact)

So... what do we think accounts for the discrepancy? Hmmm. What could it be? Well, it can't be racism could it? No, because acknowledging that would mean, erm, I'm not always right about everything and occasionally there's something beyond my immediate experience.

Twats.

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 15/09/2018 09:39

At the OP's request, we are reinstating this thread - but it's now closed for further comments.

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