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Not to leave my kids under these circumstances...

186 replies

CantankerousCamel · 13/09/2018 15:08

2 years ago we visited my brother in the spring, he lives a 4 hour drive away from me and I was around 7 months pregnant

Things were a bit odd while we were there, I’ll try and give a run down

  1. He had a long, drawn out and pointless ‘debate’ with me about my NC status with our father, I explained that Father had raised his fist to me and shouted at me for the last time and Brothers defence of this was ‘well he never actually hit us so that’s okay’ I explained that when men shout at me I think they’re going to hit me and he said ‘you can’t say that, you can say you think they might hit you but you’re bringing it upon yourself because you are expecting it’

There was another conversation about sexual harassment at work where he basically said if the woman has given a firm no to being harassed then she should be disciplined for involving management as its embarrassing for the Male.

Anyway.

He has two dogs, one is a large pointer who doesn’t like children, so much that the dog growled at the children when they walked into rooms and snapped at both the boys (then 4 and 6)

When she snapped at Ds2 (4) we were all sitting on a couch, DB was nearest the door and the dog, DH, DS1 and I were further away on a different couch.

Ds2 looked really shocked when the dog snapped at him and looked at me. DB said (remember that Ds2 is 4 years old) that if he (Ds2) didn’t like the dog, he could just leave and pointed to the front door. So Ds2 is in a strange house, has just had a dog snap st him while he walks past it and now has his uncle shouting and screaming at him.

At this point I stood up, pulled Ds2 towards Me and held him, he was literally shaking.

DB told me I was ‘pandering to him’ and ‘this is just what he wants, attention’ And when I told him to stop he started shouting ‘what do you want me to do Ds2? Have the dog put down? Is that what you want? You want the dog dead? So I basically told him to leave us alone repeatedly until he left the room.

He came back in and again started shouting at us but again (whilst cradling ds2) I just told him repeatedly to leave us alone.

He did apologise an hour later, but as you can imagine, Ds2 has compartmentalised all the fear and shame he felt, into a fear of that particular dog.

Now my brother is going away for 2 weeks in the summer and my mum who lives abroad has arranged to spend 2 weeks at his house with me and the kids.

I did tell her that you wasn’t sure Ds2 would be okay with that but I would ask.

He is still absolutely not okay with it and so I said to mum that I would drive our caravan up there, stay for a long weekend, then drive back with the boys (I have to work) and come up for another long weekend. Apparently this isn’t good enough and she refuses to be there if we aren’t there for the entire two weeks then she will be on her own and that’s not good enough.

Then she said she would have the boys herself and I could come and work and the boys would have to get used to the dog.

AIBU to not send them? They would be really scared and it just doesn’t feel right to me.

I feel I’ve done my best in saying I’ll take the caravan and we will stay for half the time, especially considering all the driving but nothing seems good enough and she (and my brother) are now angry with me

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Chocolateismyvice · 13/09/2018 15:12
Shock

Now, you are absolutely NBU. Your relatives sound like dicks, to be honest. No way would I send my children there.

Kemer2018 · 13/09/2018 15:14

Honey, you know the answer to this.
Well done for fighting to keep your kids safe from such a horrid Uncle....sorry but Nanna doesn't sound much better. I'm so sad for your child....
Put your kids above them....you're their only advocate. X x yanbu!

Binkyboo16 · 13/09/2018 15:14

YANBU
I would not be comfortable leaving my DC somewhere they were not happy being and especially with what sounds like quite a volatile dog. As for your DM and DB I would also point out that it is your parenting choices and they have no say in the matter. Lay your cards on the table OP, do what your are comfortable with and give them no other options! Smile

Fishface77 · 13/09/2018 15:16

Why would you even consider going??

Maliali · 13/09/2018 15:17

You are doing the only thing that’s right and safe for your DC. Your DB and DM can be as angry as they like about it. That’s not your problem or your biggest concern. Stick to your guns and don’t question yourself.

Snoopychildminder · 13/09/2018 15:18

No YANBU. I wouldn’t go at all, so your suggestion of driving up was a really good compromise, for me.
Do not do anything that you or your children are not happy with

Butterymuffin · 13/09/2018 15:18

Your brother's house sitting isn't your responsibility or problem. Don't go there again! He sounds like a dick and I wouldn't make my kids spend any time with someone (human or animal) who scared them.

Andromache77 · 13/09/2018 15:18

So you're basically expected to keep your mother company while she petsits for your brother and your DS is supposed to get over his justified fear of at least one of the dogs in order to facilitate the whole arrangement? I'd decline, quite frankly.

TeeBee · 13/09/2018 15:19

Just a flat 'no'. If she doesn't like it, tough shit. You're their mother. If its not good enough for her, she'll just have to live with it. YANBU.

RatRolyPoly · 13/09/2018 15:20

Fuck, no!!!

No. Seriously, no. Don't send your kids, don't all go together, don't go in a caravan, just no.

Rebecca36 · 13/09/2018 15:21

I wouldn't go and think your brother's behaviour and attitudes were appalling.

ThreeAnkleBiters · 13/09/2018 15:23

YABU to even give this a second thought, of course you shouldn't leave your DC there! Your mum agreed to house sit how she arranges to do that is her own business. Your offer of coming up was more than generous.

SomeKnobend · 13/09/2018 15:24

I don't know why you're still trying with any of them. Honestly, these people are selfish cunts. Stop making your kids interact with these arseholes.

apostropheuse · 13/09/2018 15:25

I wouldn't go, nor would I allow my children to go. You're totally in the right here. To be perfectly frank, your mother sounds as bad as your brother. I would go as far as too say I would cut contact with them, and I don't say that lightly.

Feefeetrixabelle · 13/09/2018 15:25

‘I’m sorry that doesn’t work for us’ repeat as necessary. Consider going NC with the lot.

apostropheuse · 13/09/2018 15:26

*to, not too

Ohyesiam · 13/09/2018 15:26

I’m sorry op, that’s awful. Your family sound so toxic, your needs are invisible to them.
Your brother sounds as if he has been really damaged by his upbringing.
Of course you can’t endanger your boys, or try to override their wishes. You are meeting their needs by listening to them when they say no to your mother’s idea,
I would go no contact. You will not get them to see sense.

ThomasRichard · 13/09/2018 15:26

YANBU. Don’t go for either weekend and don’t be guilted into it. Your brother sounds horrible and your mum sounds like very hard work. Your first duty is to your children. If your DS was just being contrary, that would be different, but he was treated awfully by your DB and is scared for good reasons.

Purpleartichoke · 13/09/2018 15:26

I wouldn’t visit at your brothers house any more at all. You are being very generous offering to come up for two weekends

MummyGina · 13/09/2018 15:27

After that kind of response I would not go at all! It’s not your problem and your kids are your priority, I would never want to put my DS in a situation he is uncomfortable with! And I would imagine he would be even less comfortable without mum there and his care going to his GM who presumably he doesn’t see that often if she lives abroad!

As for the brother... he sounds like a right piece of work! Shock

Bambamber · 13/09/2018 15:27

Why do you even have contact with them? Especially your brother.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 13/09/2018 15:27

God no. I wouldn't bother going at all.

Your brother sounds WEIRD and not in a good way and your Mother sounds narcissistic to say the least.

Just don't go.

CantankerousCamel · 13/09/2018 15:28

Well I wouldn’t mind going for a long weekend and having the freedom of the caravan and the comfort. Last time we went we were on a blow up bed and it was hideous.

I do want to see my mum but she has made all these arrangements despite me telling her in great detail about what happened with the boys, DS1 has just reminded me that the dog also scratched his eye. It’s just not an appropriate dog to have around young children.

I messaged my brother to apologise as DM had said that she wouldn’t be house sitting for him if we weren’t there and he jusd didn’t get it. He kept saying ‘she’s going to be here whether you like it or not, it’s up to you if you visit’

She understandably doesn’t want to spend 2 weeks of her 6 week holiday alone given it’s the only time in the year she sees any of us.

He then said that there are other people she could see and she was going to be there (as if I’m the one that needs convincing) so I explained very clearly she has said she won’t go if the boys and I cannot come up for the full two weeks.

To be honest I had hoped he would say something like ‘oh we can make other arrangements for the dog so the humans are all happy’ but he said it’s rhe dogs home and (hilariously) ‘opportunity takes compromise’

But not for him, apparently

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JustBecauseYouAreUniqueDoesNot · 13/09/2018 15:29

I wouldn't go at all. Don't let them make you feel guilty. It's always ok for everyone else to say no, but it's never ok for you to say no.

I know that feeling well in the context of family.

You would really be putting yourself out to go up there just on the weekends. For what? Your brother sounds like he has inherited your father's violent temper. They all sound awful.

RatRolyPoly · 13/09/2018 15:31

Sounds like he's going to be rather surprised when he realises he has no house-sitter Confused