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Not to leave my kids under these circumstances...

186 replies

CantankerousCamel · 13/09/2018 15:08

2 years ago we visited my brother in the spring, he lives a 4 hour drive away from me and I was around 7 months pregnant

Things were a bit odd while we were there, I’ll try and give a run down

  1. He had a long, drawn out and pointless ‘debate’ with me about my NC status with our father, I explained that Father had raised his fist to me and shouted at me for the last time and Brothers defence of this was ‘well he never actually hit us so that’s okay’ I explained that when men shout at me I think they’re going to hit me and he said ‘you can’t say that, you can say you think they might hit you but you’re bringing it upon yourself because you are expecting it’

There was another conversation about sexual harassment at work where he basically said if the woman has given a firm no to being harassed then she should be disciplined for involving management as its embarrassing for the Male.

Anyway.

He has two dogs, one is a large pointer who doesn’t like children, so much that the dog growled at the children when they walked into rooms and snapped at both the boys (then 4 and 6)

When she snapped at Ds2 (4) we were all sitting on a couch, DB was nearest the door and the dog, DH, DS1 and I were further away on a different couch.

Ds2 looked really shocked when the dog snapped at him and looked at me. DB said (remember that Ds2 is 4 years old) that if he (Ds2) didn’t like the dog, he could just leave and pointed to the front door. So Ds2 is in a strange house, has just had a dog snap st him while he walks past it and now has his uncle shouting and screaming at him.

At this point I stood up, pulled Ds2 towards Me and held him, he was literally shaking.

DB told me I was ‘pandering to him’ and ‘this is just what he wants, attention’ And when I told him to stop he started shouting ‘what do you want me to do Ds2? Have the dog put down? Is that what you want? You want the dog dead? So I basically told him to leave us alone repeatedly until he left the room.

He came back in and again started shouting at us but again (whilst cradling ds2) I just told him repeatedly to leave us alone.

He did apologise an hour later, but as you can imagine, Ds2 has compartmentalised all the fear and shame he felt, into a fear of that particular dog.

Now my brother is going away for 2 weeks in the summer and my mum who lives abroad has arranged to spend 2 weeks at his house with me and the kids.

I did tell her that you wasn’t sure Ds2 would be okay with that but I would ask.

He is still absolutely not okay with it and so I said to mum that I would drive our caravan up there, stay for a long weekend, then drive back with the boys (I have to work) and come up for another long weekend. Apparently this isn’t good enough and she refuses to be there if we aren’t there for the entire two weeks then she will be on her own and that’s not good enough.

Then she said she would have the boys herself and I could come and work and the boys would have to get used to the dog.

AIBU to not send them? They would be really scared and it just doesn’t feel right to me.

I feel I’ve done my best in saying I’ll take the caravan and we will stay for half the time, especially considering all the driving but nothing seems good enough and she (and my brother) are now angry with me

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TotHappy · 13/09/2018 15:31

What the fuck?! Of course don't go! Why are you even considering it? How the fuck did you leave it with your brother after the last appalling visit? I don't think I'd let him be around my kids after what he did and no OF COURSE don't go to his house with the dogs, whether you stay or not. He doesn't have to get over his fear .. why should he? Just so your mum doesn't have to stay alone? Boo hoo, that's her problem.

JustBecauseYouAreUniqueDoesNot · 13/09/2018 15:31

"I messaged my brother to apologise as DM had said that she wouldn’t be house sitting for him if we weren’t there"

Your mother should be apologising for that. It is not your fault. Your condition is: I cannot go and neither can my children if the dog is there.

No sorry, no nothing. If he says what am I going to do or your mum implies you are being selfish just repeat you cannot be there if the dog is.

TeeBee · 13/09/2018 15:33

Oh let them just crack on with it. Its really not your problem. You've said you're not going and that is that. If she doesn't want to go, that's her issue to solve with your DB. I'd say stay right out of it and find something else to do.

PatriciaHolm · 13/09/2018 15:33

Why are you telling him this? Let your mother tell him she won't be there.

Personally I wouldn't even go in the caravan, as it's quite clear you can't trust your mum to keep the dogs away (in fact the opposite, she sounds like the kind of person who would deliberately put the dogs and boys together to prove "it's all fine").

ThreeAnkleBiters · 13/09/2018 15:36

Don't message your DB any more it's for your DM and him to sort out between them you have no responsibility for their arrangements. You don't need to apologise or find alternative arrangements.

StormTreader · 13/09/2018 15:36

Hes used to being Top Dog because hes male, isnt he? You shout and raise your fist and all the women just back down.

No. You make it clear youre not going, and dont go. Its literally not your problem how he and your mum resolve his house sitting issue. Its not your problem to fix. You dont need to know what the answer to it is or isnt, its for them to sort between themselves.

AnnieAnoniMoose · 13/09/2018 15:39

He’s as thick as two short planks and twice as rude.

There’s no way I’d be going. Your mother knows where you live if she wants to see you.

Tighnabruaich · 13/09/2018 15:39

When she snapped at Ds2 (4) we were all sitting on a couch, DB was nearest the door and the dog, DH, DS1 and I were further away on a different couch.
When your brother came back into the room shouting and screaming at you, what did your husband say/do?
I would not be going. His housesitting problem is not your problem.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/09/2018 15:41

YANBU. Do not go under any circumstances and do not subject your kids to either your mother or your brother. These two are really a toxic twosome.

You also sounds like you are mired in your own fear, obligation and guilt with regards to both your mother and brother. That in itself is a problem for you.

handslikecowstits · 13/09/2018 15:42

What an arsewipe he is!

YANBU. I wouldn't have anything anything more to do with him and I really would take great delight in telling him exactly why.

JessicaJonesJacket · 13/09/2018 15:42

You didn't make the arrangement so you don't need to have these conversations with your brother. Your DM can explain to him whether she is still house-sitting or not.
tbh your brother is an idiot. However, whether or not you see your DM is completely separate from that. I'm not clear why the dog can't be kept in a separate room from your DS at all times.

Troels · 13/09/2018 15:45

Well that apple didn't fall far from the tree. Your brother sounds much like your Dad.
Stop communicating with him, his house his Dog, not your problem.
Tell your Mum you aren't going near his house and Dog and you'll see her elsewhere.
He sounds like a dick.

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 13/09/2018 15:45

Don’t do it. Why should you put your kids under stress?

Plus they are just being stingy, plenty of good dog holiday homes.

billybagpuss · 13/09/2018 15:46

Never mind the house, It’s unreasonable to ask anyone to dog sit unfamiliar dogs anyway especially large energetic breeds like that, not sure how old your DM is but we have a border collie cross and there’s no way I would leave her with my dp’s They just couldn’t cope.

We left ours with our kids this year young adults and they were absolutely fine but it wasn’t without it’s stresses. They need a lot of exercise, has your dm signed up for that, is she happy with dogs in general What is he expecting to be done?

Ps your answer should be along the lines of Hell no!

MyCatIsBonkers · 13/09/2018 15:47

Your brother is vile. Your mother is manipulative. The dog is a danger to your children.

I wouldn't be within a million miles of any if them and neither would my children.

CantankerousCamel · 13/09/2018 15:48

I wouldn’t feel comfortable with the dog locked in a room for two weeks. I honestly thought he would have said the dog could go elsewhere and I could have gone back to mum with some news to cheer her up

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Juells · 13/09/2018 15:51

The apple didn't fall far from the tree, he's taken over where your father left off. He sounds a bit dim, TBH. Dim and aggressive, what a combination :(

Rainycloudyday · 13/09/2018 15:52

I wouldn't even consider going, not even in the caravan for part of the time. You need to give your son the message that he comes first and that you will always protect him - taking him back there where he was injured and treated appallingly would do the opposite. Your family sound awful and the dynamic of you apologising to them is all manner of fucked up.

chardonm · 13/09/2018 15:53

Yanbu. Don't get pressured into this.

krustykittens · 13/09/2018 15:55

I have to agree with PP, your brother sounds just like your father and your mother sounds manipulative. No one seems to care that your children are justifiably scared of these dogs and it seems what they want comes before the children's comfort and safety. I am a dog owner and what your brother did is COMPLETELY unacceptable. Don't get me started on his non-dog comments! You haven't got a nice family, OP, sorry. Sad

billybagpuss · 13/09/2018 15:55

Is that his plan, locked in a room for 2 weeks?

Billy pup had an operation 2 weeks ago and has had to be on short lead walks for 2 weeks, she’s climbing the walls and has so much pent up energy. I let her off today and she was like a coiled spring. So happy. If you lock healthy energetic dogs up for a fortnight will they still be walked? They will be so unhappy and very vocal about it, and we know they snap and growl this really isn’t a good situation.

You can not expose ds to this, those dogs will be so unhappy.

By the way so not the dogs fault, always the owner Angry

Oysterbabe · 13/09/2018 15:57

This is such a no brainer, I would not allow my children to be there at all.

QueenDaisy · 13/09/2018 16:01

In your OP you say your Brother is going away for two weeks in the summer, I’m assuming you mean next summer, 2019, now is the time to tell your Mum & Brother that you will not be visiting in the two weeks & do not change your mind, they’ve plenty of time to arrange something else Smile

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 13/09/2018 16:03

Your brother sounds like an absolute arsehole. No way would I have my kids anywhere near a dog that snapped or a human that shouted and screamed. I'd add another one to your NC list!

As for your mother, she is an adult who can organise herself. Don't involve yourself in her plans, let her sort things out herself.

If I go on holiday, my dogs go in kennels.

Loonoon · 13/09/2018 16:04

You,know,the answer to this. Your DC come first, last and in the middle. Perhaps if your parents had similar priorities in your childhood your family dynamics might be better now.

Tell your mum directly that you were bending over backwards to accommodate her with the caravan offer but have now thought better of it. On reflection it is better for the DCs if you all stay home. She is welcome to join you at any time that suits her and you are really looking forward to seeing her. And repeat as often as necessary.