AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

Everything has to be about trans people on Mumsnet doesn’t it!

Surely What ever was asked it all boils down to a need for the same things

To be able to name who and what happened and how.

Anyone had the opportunity to ask a question to the NCPCC. Why didn't the posters who want to talk about other issues submit any questions?

I asked what their favourite biscuit was.

I will gladly hold my hand up and say I arrived at the FWR board with no real clue about the issue apart from assuming - like most people - that TW were blokes who'd lopped their bits off and were trying to get on with a normal everyday life dressed in women's clothes.

I read and I asked and I went away and did my own research.

And I changed my previous position when I felt I understood the wider implications and risks of the proposals; and found out that 80% of men retain their penises and self id would allow predatory sexual assaulters to assume a fake ID of "TW" and march right on in to the safe spaces to get at their victims.

There's no shame in admitting you've learnt something and changed your mind but it seems like only one side is willing to do that, with the other side doubling down on the accusations and namecalling.

Everything has to be about trans people on Mumsnet doesn’t it!

You are free to start your own thread about whatever you want.

Everything has to be about trans people on Mumsnet doesn’t it!

Or a lot of topics are centred around safeguarding women and children. The NSPCC cannot provide us with evidence of safeguarding principles being met with regards to proposed SelfID laws.

I’m glad that doesn’t keep you up at night.

I asked what their favourite biscuit was.

And now, because of the echo chamber that is MN FWR you will never know.

Twotailed

expect they felt they were put in a impossible position.

Could you explain a bit more about this? Why is the situation impossible?

Damn.

I desperately wanted to know what their favourite biscuit was.

I expect their favourite biscuit is a jammie dodger, without the jam.

Hah, NSPCC. Your true colours are showing.

I desperately wanted to know what their favourite biscuit was

I am dying to suggest it was limp.

*MN has already lost the feminist chat board to the domineering GC posters. It's now a single issue, single perspective board for the most part.

I've worked in child abuse investigation and I'm embarrassed by some of the comments on this thread and appalled that a useful debate on child abuse has been hijacked in this way. What is it with the trans obsession? How anyone dares to use expressions like misogyny in the same sentence as bashing trans people is beyond me. The vast majority of abuse ( physical, sexual, psychological and neglect) occurs in a family setting and is committed by immediate family members. So your husband, your mother, your uncle, your grandfather, your aunt just in case you're having a problem understanding that. What a shambles.

Poor form of them.

They asked for questions, questions were duly submitted and now they have thrown our their toys out of the pram because they don’t like the questions.

Tough.

Also, as everybody on MN could ask whatever they wanted the people who are now complaining that the questions are about a single subject did have their chance to ask something else. Why didn’t they?

Everything has to be about trans people on Mumsnet doesn’t it!

No, it doesn't.

Any other stupid comments you want to have pointed as out being stupid?

The feminist board has changed dramatically in the last few months. There are many, many new posters there, discussing all sorts of things and putting lots of different opinions. I agree that it used to be sometimes cliquey and exclusive, and I like many others was too intimidated to post there, but it's not that way any more.

What is it with the trans obsession? How anyone dares to use expressions like misogyny in the same sentence as bashing trans people is beyond me

How was it a useful debate when they didn't show - perhaps you had a question you could have asked but you didn't.

Also - p.s...it is not about TRANS it is about PREDATORS pretending to be TRANS in order to access girls. How many more times?

However you feel about the trans issue Self ID seems very relevant to the Speaking Out section the NSPCC wanted.

Speaking Out involves saying when you are uncomfortable despite outside pressures to stay silent. Current policies of allowing people to change with the gender they identify as would require anyone who is not comfortable with it speaking out while having the pressure of being called a bigot.

I think it's quite important we teach children (and adults!) that actually.

What’s the stats on predators pretending to trans in order to access children? I’ve been in the police 20 years and I’ve never dealt with a case or come across one.

What’s the stats on predators pretending to trans in order to access children? I’ve been in the police 20 years and I’ve never dealt with a case or come across one

Who knows? Nobody is allowed to complain any more.

They report crimes committed by males, as females and they place men in women's prisons; all the stats show these as women when they are men.

I guess you don't see no problemo with all that - what with being in the police and all.

The vast majority of abuse ( physical, sexual, psychological and neglect) occurs in a family setting and is committed by immediate family members. So your husband, your mother, your uncle, your grandfather, your aunt just in case you're having a problem understanding that.

Father, brother.

Father being the most likely of all of the above and of course father's go on to become grand fathers. Brothers go on to become uncles.

The most likely person to abuse a child is a man.

Whatever relationship he has with you.

No echo chamber here. Just truth and reality. Reality: real life.

I’ve been in the police 20 years and I’ve never dealt with a case or come across one.

I've been a female since birth and I've never in all my 50 plus years been raped by a stranger.

Why would any big organisation want to come on Mumsnet when any conversation is going to get derailed by those few who only want to talk about trans.

Why wouldn’t the NSPCC - the biggest children’s interests charity - want to come on Mumsnet - the biggest conversational spot for parents - and talk about an issue directly relevant to their campaign, teaching children to Speak Up.

What do I tell my children? What do you tell yours? What are other people in positions of trust being encouraged to tell my children and your children?

I completely understand why MN felt a live FB was probably unwise given the tone of the questions. Because it would be hugely vulnerable to being hijacked by both transactivists and GC groups to be one an online fight with the NSPCC message getting lost.

But they were given the opportunity to respond properly to legitimate safeguarding concerns on this particular topic and could have done much much better than that dismissive statement, which is equivalent to shush now, you don’t understand so we won’t waste our breath.

That’s why people are cross.

Stop being so supercilious. I worked in the biggest child protection unit in the world. I did something - I interviewed children who’d been abused. I arrested suspects - I had them convicted. I never dealt with a trans person or anyone who used that as a methodology. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but I don’t believe it’s the problem that you purport it to be. And has it happens you have no stats to support your claims. Go figure.