AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

We need proof that safeguarding is being taken seriously

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies - ok. They need to explain why. Go through the relevant policies and explain what research led to the conclusions.
That whole statement was bumph. You can say 'rigorous', 'robust' and 'high quality' as much as you like but it doesn't actually mean anything unless you provide evidence based, factual information about what you are proposing and why.

What a shame that the obsession with trans bashing has led to the cancellation of what would have been a useful session.

How useful would it have been though?

None of it means anything if it can be overridden so easily.

Safeguarding concerns on the thread also include and reference those expressed by;
Francis Crook (Howard Reform League)
Claude Knights (former director of Kidscape)
Lisa Muggeridge (Social Worker & Social Policy)
Jessica Eaton (Author & PhD Researcher in Psychology, founder of Victim focus)

NSPCC response to concerns:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350778-My-letter-to-NSPCC

there is also an important current thread which has collated wide-ranging examples and concerns about Safeguarding framework failings / failures:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

YANBU.

We're not going to get a coherent answer because there isn't one, because they clearly have not looked into this beyond the surface. They clearly don't consider it in their interest to delve into something which may make them appear to be anti self ID, they're all about image and clearly they'd rather just avoid this altogether. I've donated to them in the past but won't going forwards, they've shown themselves to have no backbone in standing up for the rights of children.

Childline/NSPCC tells children and young people that it is fine to try out being transgender to see how they feel about it.

www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/your-feelings/sexual-identity/

Yet, while the try-out is happening everyone is supposed to act as if it's a total done-deal sex change.
Does the NSPCC really see no safeguarding concerns with this?
YANBU, btw.

Clearly there is concern, otherwise they wouldn't have found themselves with so many questions being presented. If they think there is no cause for that concern then they need to explain why, since a significant percentage of mothers are clearly worried.

Their silence speaks volumes

Doesn't surprise me in the least. I reported a very serious safeguarding concern about a child in my community who is almost forcibly being raised as a (very tarty, grotesque version of a) girl from toddler age by his mentally ill family and paraded in the media by them for attention. NSPCC reply was that if he identifies as a girl they are doing exactly the right thing. They are terrified to touch this issue.

I hope this this a wake up call for MN. When an organisation as reputable as the NSPCC (how often do we see the advice "call the NSPCC" given on here?) can't see a path through the trans posts to discuss child safety, something has gone very wrong.

I suspect the anti trans posters are simply a vocal minority on here, and most users are sick of one (very, very) minority issue dominating the boards. Maybe it's time MNHQ looked at whether there is an unhappy silent majority on the boards.

I'm embarrassed to call myself a MN user this week.

I have cancelled my DD with them, the community group I’m a member with has decided to stop fundraising for them and we are meeting to pick our new charity this month. I have also forwarded the thread to everyone I know. Before I did any of that someone (who I don’t really know) at my place of work forwarded the thread to the entire department.

They want children to speak out however children are prevented from speaking out about people of the opposite sex using the inappropriate sex segregated spaces. We are entitled to ask questions about this. The little mummies will not roll over and shut up.
Feelings over facts cannot protect children. Parents, funnily enough, are in the business of wanting to protect their children.

I hope this gets picked up the papers.

NSPCC THINKS PARENTS SHOULD BACK DOWN AND SHUT UP OVER LACK OF CHILD SAFETY

‘There is no safeguarding issues with being trans inclusive’????
It’s one big safeguarding issue,
It’s a shame they have no guts.
Clearly girls don’t deserve protection.

What a shame that the obsession with trans bashing has led to the cancellation of what would have been a useful session.

They were free to answer the questions and show us exactly how there are no safeguarding concerns...and that they got this.

They didn't even show up though.

p.s...it isn't about trans bashing it is about predators getting access to girls PRETENDING to be trans. Don't you get it yet?

Having been down a bit of a rabbit hole over the last couple of days re the internet, I don't like the acronym PANTS.

p.s...it isn't about trans bashing it is about predators getting access to girls PRETENDING to be trans. Don't you get it yet?

The same predators the trans kids are trying to escape in the men's room.if you don't give a shit about the girls won't you at least give a shit about that.

There's loads of money swilling and sloshing around for charities if they put in inclusiveness.

My belief is that the NSPCC is a middle class organisation that is taking funds away from social services within local authorities and this has been going on for at least a decade. I'd like to be assured my belief is wrong. I wouldn't trust any private organisation, no matter how they are funded, to have safeguarding as a top priority.

The same predators the trans kids are trying to escape in the men's room.if you don't give a shit about the girls won't you at least give a shit about that.

Is that question directed at me?

No sorry I was directing it the poster above who accused everyone of trans bashing and kinda badly furthering the point.

Other clearly don't care about girls but if they care so much about the trans kids then protecting them from the people who would abuse it leaves then in the same place as the rest of us .

The NSPCC is a disgrace and should be ashamed of itself

Why would any big organisation want to come on Mumsnet when any conversation is going to get derailed by those few who only want to talk about trans.

The days of politicians, charities etc, coming on here is over. It's an anti-trans echo chamber.

June 2018 article:
25th June
'Schools 'forget' girls in rush to adopt pro-trans guidance campaigners claim as Christian group threatens legal action'

THE rights of Scottish schoolgirls are being undermined by rules allowing pupils to adopt a different gender and share changing rooms, it has been claimed, as it emerged schools are unprepared for the controversial overhaul.

A series of Freedom of Information (FoI) requests have revealed that councils have widely backed guidelines produced by organisations campaigning for the rights of transgender people but have not considered how the new approach will affect children – particularly girls.
The new guidelines tell teachers that if a transgender pupil wishes to share a changing room with "other young people who share their gender identity," they should be allowed to do so.

"There is no reason for parents or carers of the other pupils to be informed," it adds.

The guidelines say young people should be able to compete in the sports events for the gender they identify with, and says if other pupils are uncomfortable using changing rooms or toilets with transgender pupils, they should use other facilities or wait until the transgender pupil is done.

However none of the councils involved, nor the children’s commissioner, nor Education Scotland have carried out an equality impact assessment to ensure the rights and wellbeing of other pupils are unaffected. This means the impact on other students has not been taken into account." (continues)

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

Can anyone suggest an alternative charity I can support after I've cancelled my Direct debit please?

I think it would be naive to suggest they could have answered the questions in any way which would have been satisfactory to a lot of MNers except by making statements about transgenderism which are at odds with their values.

They didn't even attempt to explain why there is no concern around safeguarding when it comes to issues of self id. There is #nodebate here, we can't even ask questions of the biggest children's charity for fear of someone putting a fucking foot wrong and being seen as 'transphobic'.

Why would any big organisation want to come on Mumsnet when any conversation is going to get derailed by those few who only want to talk about trans.

How can just a few people derail the NSPCC?

Surely if they have NO ISSUES they can explain how that works to the FEW people with queries on this?

p.s...it is not about TRANS it is about PREDATORS pretending to be TRANS in order to access girls. How many more times?