AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

YANBU. I've had a quick look at some of the questions, and they seem very reasonable, polite questions - and, if the posters are completely misguided and have nothing to worry about, surely the NSPCC would be able to provide answers which reassure us?

I can't believe they just did a no-show and are refusing to answer questions on safeguarding. Why is everyone running scared on this topic?

Tut tut, silly mummies! You can't ask the NSPCC grown-up questions like that.

Some model questions for next time:

What kind of biscuits should I bake to raise money for the NSPCC at my next school fete?

Which celebs support the NSPCC?

How do I set up a regular direct debit to the NSPCC?

YANBU - I'm not one for hyperbole but this is really serious.

If there is 'no concern' around trans issues and safeguarding, then they could have simply answered the questions to demonstrate that.

How can they say there are no particular issues when we’ve just seen that sexual assaults are 18 times more likely in mixed sex facilities?

And to reach their conclusion that there are no issues, they must have done some sort of assessment? Why can’t they share that to shut us up?

I’m appalled. They are cowards.

I expect that the NSPCC are beginning to notice that mumsnetters are cancelling their DDs.

It should be astonishing, but it isn't. That's where we are at these days.

Safeguarding no longer applies to girls

Yabu

Of course they would cancel.

Because a penis is still a penis whatever anyone identifies as. And they know it and they know we know it.

We don't go round assuming all boys in a school are predators. But we separate them anyway. What's the difference between separating girls from boys and trans girls.

Even if there were no nasty people in the world. Even of you could walk naked down a street and not one person would touch you. We would still separate girls and boys at certain times because they both deserve to be able to change only in front of people who have the same bodies and go through the same things.

There is not a person on this abet who deep down doesn't seen the issue between not being able to do back ground checks on so called dead names.

Planet

That’s awful. Will they release a statement or just hope it quietens down? I will no longer donate. You can’t just not show up to an agreed meeting because you’re uncomfortable with the questions.

Oops, I ignored the part about the statement. What did it say?

Missed, not ignored. What is wrong with me today

MN statement, "However, in view of the questions asked in this thread, we asked the NSPCC for a statement:

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies. Any space and activity involving children should have strong safeguarding policies in place, with a proper risk assessment to minimise the risks to all children involved. And every adult working with children should undergo rigorous safety checks and vetting procedures to ensure that young people are safe in their care.

Trans young people are at particular risk of physical, sexual and emotional abuse from peers. This can heighten the risk of abuse by adults as children turn online for support and access to networks of those sharing similar views and feelings. There should be high-quality, statutory relationships and sex education, alongside strong school safeguarding policies, to ensure that all children are kept safe in schools."

Here is the full post from MNHQ, on page 7 of the NSPCC webchat thread.

Thanks for waiting; we've been thinking about what to do.

The focus of this Facebook Live was intended to be the NSPCC's Speak out. Stay safe and PANTS campaign and how to speak to children about keeping safe. Because the questions here are so focused on gender identity, the feeling is that the NSPCC campaign itself and the NSPCC's specific safety messages are unlikely to get much of an airing. As a result we came to the decision not to run the stream live on Facebook, although we will be recording some content with the NSPCC on the original topic which should go live either later today or tomorrow.

We’re sorry to all those who were waiting to put questions as part of the live event. We recognise many of you feel strongly about safeguarding in relation to issues around gender identity, but this was never intended to be the focus of this activity.

However, in view of the questions asked in this thread, we asked the NSPCC for a statement:

The NSPCC doesn’t consider there to be specific child protection concerns in relation to trans-inclusive policies. Any space and activity involving children should have strong safeguarding policies in place, with a proper risk assessment to minimise the risks to all children involved. And every adult working with children should undergo rigorous safety checks and vetting procedures to ensure that young people are safe in their care.

Trans young people are at particular risk of physical, sexual and emotional abuse from peers. This can heighten the risk of abuse by adults as children turn online for support and access to networks of those sharing similar views and feelings. There should be high-quality, statutory relationships and sex education, alongside strong school safeguarding policies, to ensure that all children are kept safe in schools.

If there is 'no concern' around trans issues and safeguarding, then they could have simply answered the questions to demonstrate that.

I think it would be naive to suggest they could have answered the questions in any way which would have been satisfactory to a lot of MNers except by making statements about transgenderism which are at odds with their values.

The NSPCC should have anticipated the possibility of a pile on about transgenderism. They have a duty of care to kids and that includes the trans kids who call them for help. I expect they felt they were put in a impossible position.

The real scandal here is that the overwhelmingly vast majority of abused children are abused at the hands of their parents, family members or teachers, not trans bogeymen. And the opportunity to discuss that has been lost, because of people demanding that the NSPCC focus on transgenderism.

So NSPCC weren't game to nail their colours to the wall and go against the TRAs that are currently ruling the roost?
Not surprised.
Disappointed but not surprised.

I don't think I can donate to NSPCC in good faith knowing they cannot even tall about these issues.

Well I sort of understand why they thought their intended messages might get lost in the shouting about gender identity, but that statement on same is utter bullcrap.

we will be recording some content with the NSPCC on the original topic which should go live either later today or tomorrow.

Has this happened, btw?

I find their incredulity at why the silly little wimmin aren't doing as they're told quite funny. They really seemed to think all MNers are a bunch of obedient little airheads.

NSPCC went into my children's school to talk about bullying and Childline. Great stuff but if my daughter felt threatened or upset because a girl with a penis was getting changed with her and called Childline they'd tell her to put up with it because the feelings of the girl with the penis were more important than hers?

Another one who will not be donating to NSPCC again.

but kids can't 'speak out and stay safe' can they?
'Miss, I don't want to get changed in here'
'why is that Evie?'
(child falls silent, because she knows she isn't supposed to name 'brave' trans girl as a boy)
YANBU at all OP

I find their incredulity at why the silly little wimmin aren't doing as they're told quite funny. They really seemed to think all MNers are a bunch of obedient little airheads.

Everyone does. Misogyny, innit?

I will not donate to them either

I would ask what percentage of the money that is donated to them is spent on advertising costs. I guess they wouldn't like that question either