AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

If they had ever looked onto any of it they'd have seen that there have been like no assults on trans girls in bathrooms and changing rooms by men/boys.

No one has ever backed up the apparently shocking state of abuse they face

Yet numerous articles and documentaries on sexual abise girls face in schools

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It's an anti-trans echo chamber.

No its not. Anyone here is welcome to debate the issues. They just won't get patted on the head and congratulated on how woke they are if they can't come up with anything more than 'transwomen are women and that's all I have to say on the subject'.

There have been a couple of posters at most on the trans threads who have given me some semblance of food for thought, on a few of issues. The rest of them come onto the threads, and either shout 'transwomen are women, bigots!', post a bit of word salad that they can't back up when pressed, or just simply screenshot stuff to take back to twitter out of context.

I would thoroughly welcome some more posters who are willing to actually debate this issue in a grown up way, with some proper arguments that can be backed up when countered, rather than disappearing to go and ice their cake.

ErrolTheDragon

Transgender Trend or Fairplay for women ?

What do the NSPCC actually do though? 🤔

(genuine question)

Would also be interested in an alternative charity.

Will certainly no longer be supporting the NSPCC.

@knittedwoollenmouse they run Childline, they employ social workers and have a range of support services for children and families where there has been or where they may a risk of abuse (physical sexual emotional). They run a project to support children who are appearing as witnesses in court.

They (the NSPCC statement) mentioned a 'risk assessment' process... I'd love to see it (or any of them). What happens when the risk rating comes out as 'high'? (which it will in many cases). What will they do... Ignore it?
I would add, it's not just the physical harm that's a risk, but the emotional harm as well.
I fail to understand this whole concept of ignoring very real issues.
I will be cancelling my monthly donation, and telling them why.

The real scandal here is that the overwhelmingly vast majority of abused children are abused at the hands of their parents, family members or teachers, not trans bogeymen. And the opportunity to discuss that has been lost, because of people demanding that the NSPCC focus on transgenderism.

This statement is very dismissive of the different very serious types of abuse children face. The NSPCC is a very large, very well funded organisations that should be able to deal with a wide range of child cruelty.

Just because more children are abuse by people known to them, doesn't mean we should ignore stranger abuse.

Many people are questioning self id and it's effects on children. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask who exact are the people writing the policies, their experiences and qualifications and any studies undertaken to support their findings.

The fact that the NSPCC is unwilling or unable to explain their process is unacceptable.

YANBU OP.

I used to really rate them and have recommended them to posters on here previously. Over the last couple of years I’ve felt they were going slightly ‘off’ and after this fiasco I will no longer recommend or financially support.

Anybody with a concern about a child should google and ring their local children’s services I currently consider NSPCC unfit for purpose.

Why would any big organisation want to come on Mumsnet when any conversation is going to get derailed by those few who only want to talk about trans

This. And it's not good enough to ask "how can a few people derail the NSPCC". It's about derailing this discussion, not the organisation. It was meant to be a general discussion about a campaign for keeping children safe, and if the discussion is overweighted by people determined to talk about only one limited area of safeguarding, then other equally important issues which are particularly relevant to the whole spectrum of parents on here won't get aired.

All the people stopping their payments to the NSPCC seem to be ignoring the fact that MN say that it is they who took the decision to cancel. And if you're desperate to know what the NSPCC have to say about the trans issue, you have their statement. If you still want to put questions to them about that statement, feel free to email them.

I agree with you, goldenbug.

Just because more children are abuse by people known to them, doesn't mean we should ignore stranger abuse.

And just because some children are abused by people purporting to be trans also doesn't mean we should ignore the far greater proportions of abuse by people who have never pretended to be anything other than their birth sex.

MNHQ said "we" took the decision to not run it as a fb live, so it's not a case of the charity running away.

Having seen the torrent of single issue posts on the questions thread they were wise to pull the plug on a live event that was going off the rails of the topic before it even had a chance to begin.

MN has already lost the feminist chat board to the domineering GC posters. It's now a single issue, single perspective board for the most part.

Saying anyone is welcome to post on the issues is just ridiculous at this point. Unfamiliar posters in FWR are treated with open suspicion if they're lucky, and with contempt and scorn if they don't behave exactly how the regulars think they should.

The NSPCC wanted to work with mn to raise awareness of their current child safety campaigns and the GC posters obsessed with gender identity politics derailed it so comprehensively that it had to be cancelled. So how about the children who might have benefitted from an adult in their lives getting better informed about the PANTS and speak out stay safe campaigns?

It's a slow handclap from me.

YABU. It's shocking that mn had to cancel it, but not in the way you think it's shocking.

If the posters on MN are ‘anti trans’ as opposed to ‘women with a shit ton knowledge of safeguarding who can see another Savile/Rotherham scandal coming if loopholes aren’t closed’ then it would be in the best interests of everybody including vulnerable children and transsexuals if an NSPCC rep came on here and Clearly explained why there aren’t loopholes open to exploitation. They haven’t done that because there are loopholes and they bloody well know it!

If the posters on MN are ‘anti trans’ as opposed to ‘women with a shit ton knowledge of safeguarding who can see another Savile/Rotherham scandal coming if loopholes aren’t closed’ then it would be in the best interests of everybody including vulnerable children and transsexuals if an NSPCC rep came on here and Clearly explained why there aren’t loopholes open to exploitation. They haven’t done that because there are loopholes and they bloody well know it!

So so agree Lurkacus... and I intend to send link to discussion to this thread and the "questioning" one to all those I know who fundraise for NSPCC (and would encourage others reading this to do so) .... They need to have more questions from their supporters... If they are confident, they need to tell us all - and especially explain why.

Safeguarding concerns detailed by Fairplay for Women about GirlGuides trans-inclusive policies:
fairplayforwomen.com/facts_not_fairytales/

Anyone had the opportunity to ask a question to the NCPCC. Why didn't the posters who want to talk about other issues submit any questions?

It seems odd to be upset that the number of self id questions when you have no questions of your own? If more people want to talk about other issues, why didn't they speak up?

If the posters on MN are ‘anti trans’ as opposed to ‘women with a shit ton knowledge of safeguarding who can see another Savile/Rotherham scandal coming if loopholes aren’t closed’ then it would be in the best interests of everybody including vulnerable children and transsexuals if an NSPCC rep came on here and Clearly explained why there aren’t loopholes open to exploitation. They haven’t done that because there are loopholes and they bloody well know it!

This, with bells on!

No, YANBU

And just because some children are abused by people purporting to be trans also doesn't mean we should ignore the far greater proportions of abuse by people who have never pretended to be anything other than their birth sex.

I'm not sure who you think is ignoring that?

The NSPCC ask for questions, posters submitted questions that they wanted answering?

If there is just a few people who are allegedly so obsessed with a non-issues, why weren't the masses of other MNers posting on the site stuff thread about the live chat with acceptable questions then? It's not as if it was hidden away or restricted to certain posters. There are claims of sweeping majorities with different viewpoints, so where were you when MN were asking for contributions?

I remain agog at how so many people just dismiss, out of hand, people who are raising valid issues and flat out refuse to even try and see if just maybe they have a point. All these kneejerk cries of bigot and transphobe - do you really think we are just doing it for shits and giggles cos we're bored and decided to get together one day and dream this up?

Having seen the torrent of single issue posts on the questions thread they were wise to pull the plug on a live event that was going off the rails of the topic before it even had a chance to begin

Sorry, how many posters a day post on Mumsnet? It must be in the several thousands by now, surely? If there was a "torrent of single issue posts", when there are thousands of mothers on here, all of whom have an interest in the safety of at least their children, even if they don't care about anyone else's, doesn't that indicate to you, that the major issue on child safety which exercises mothers on Mumsnet, is how it will be impacted by self-identification?

Thousands of people will have seen that Mumsnet was doing a facebook chat with the NSPCC and that this was their chance to raise questions about child safety. If no-one was interested in asking anything other than the self-ID safeguarding issue, then we have to assume that that is a primary concern.

What's the problem with that?

I don't understand the comments about GC people 'taking over' the feminist board. It's a public forum - anyone can post! If there's a critical mass of non-GC feminists who believe TWAW and don't have safeguarding concerns then they can take over. But they don't. More and more people are reading the feminist board and this isn't happening. If you don't like the voices on the board then come over and give your point of view, don't just complain about it.

MN has already lost the feminist chat board to the domineering GC posters. It's now a single issue, single perspective board for the most part.

You are free to start your own threads surely?

Why not do that instead of dismissing concerns that other people have?