AIBU to be shocked that the NSPCC cancelled their Facebook Live session with Mumsnetters, because they didn't like the questions? That they can't explain why they aren't putting children in danger?

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I am reeling from this - Mumsnet promoted a Facebook Live for Thursday 12.30... to talk about keeping Kids safe from Abuse, and to publicise their PANTS and SpeakOut StaySafe campaigns.

NSPCC just didn't turn up - and only 4 hours later published a brief statement that said nothing!!!! So lots of people waiting for a no show.

It is fine for them to have the policies they have - IF THEY CAN EXPLAIN that they really are in all children's best interests and that they aren't putting girls at risk..... They haven't even tried to do that... Just ignored us and run. Ignored MUMSNET - which is full of people who raise or give money to the NSPCC, and who use it.

HOW??? I am bewildered beyond words.....

Oh ... and hopefully clicky link here of the questions Mumsnetters asked - really thoughtful cogent ones!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_facebook_live/a3343961-Facebook-Live-about-talking-to-kids-about-staying-safe-from-abuse-with-NSPCC

mrshoodwink

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Im the same re trans rights, but again like you, i also believe that there should be sex segregated spaces where appropriate

People like to infer that there are only two sides but the majority of people are spread along the spectrum (to coin a term)

I bought a book on modern tribalism recently and i think thats the way the world is moving.....i dont wanna be on one end or the other, im much happier again like most of us floating round the middle

Never been pressured by the GC feminists on here to feel one way or the other....but i have a feeling that some people would like me to DIAF

Two questions:

1. Is "the bitch with the vagina" next door a male vagina (by which I mean a male penis-style vagina or a surgical wound fake-vagina)or a female one (an actual vagina)?

1. Apparently we are a tiny minority and also a clique (do we have badges?). In that case, why do some posters spend so much time responding given they profess to care so little for us and we are such an irrelevance and how tiresome they find it all?

by which I mean a male penis-style vagina or a surgical wound fake-vagina

I saw yesterday a bloke who had a fake vagina created...and didn't lose the penis. So it isn't an either or. Not these days.

And yes, there were photos.

Link to Dr Nic Williams on TalkRadio recent interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer, also information about the Fairplay for Women campaign 'Hands off Our rights' which started last weekend.

fairplayforwomen.com/

@ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas And yes, there were photos.

Of course there were

(Because as we know, all "real" women need to show the world pictures of their hybrid dick-vag to prove their womanly credentials. It's just what we girls do...)

If by "working in your favour" you mean a load of people signposted here by Twitter hoping to gawp at the "transphobes in their natural habitat".

Nope again. They signed up/registered.

You don't have to sign up to "gawp".

Woman's Place Uk website: womansplaceuk.org/about/
"What are we for?
We are against all forms of discrimination. We believe in the right of everyone to live their lives free from discrimination and harassment. Women face both endemic structural and personal inequality. This is reflected, for example, in the high levels of sexual harassment and violence against women and girls; the gender pay gap; discrimination at work. This is why sex is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act (2010) which we believe must be defended.

5 Demands:
Respectful and evidence-based discussion about the impact of the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act to be allowed to take place and for women’s voices to be heard.
The principle of women-only spaces to be upheld – and where necessary extended.
A review of how the exemptions in the Equality Act (which allow for single sex services, or requirements that only a woman can apply for a job such as in a domestic violence refuge) are being applied in practice.
Government to consult with women’s organisations on how self-declaration would impact on women-only services and spaces.
Government to consult on how self-declaration will impact upon data gathering – such as crime, employment, pay and health statistics – and monitoring of sex-based discrimination such as the gender pay gap. "

And even if they were just gawping , what many will have seen is the seemingly endless homophobia which those arguing against GC women seem to use at the drop of a hat. I mostly lurk on the FWR threads but I have been astounded at the nonsense that has been talked about lesbians in particular. I naively thought those type of beliefs had disappeared long ago. It is not GC women who are saying those things and it's there for anyone to see.

Weren't you called a racist on twitter not so long ago?

Hahahaha! No. No I wasn't

Although that is hilarious, thanks for the giggle.

Nope again. They signed up/registered.

Aww hun, no they didn't.

The stat you quoted is for the route via which people enter Mumsnet. Traffic accessing the site via the Feminist boards increased during a period when their rampant transphobia (not my words) was all over both print and social media. Literally no-one could have predicted it.

The TRAs call it a "radicalisation portal" Rat. Why do you suppose that is?

It was one month Rat. Which was all that was requested. I don't know where you're getting your information from.

And far from TRAs coming here to "gawp" at women talking, they are too busy spamming every feminist with recommendations that they die, get fucked, etc.

Yup. Let's not forget that the crux of the TRA argument is: women should allow trans women into their spaces because trans women pose no threat to women at all, and if we say otherwise we are being paranoid and transphobic.

Oh, and if you disagree with us, we are going to kill you.

Sorry link

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357096-Razor-blades-and-stickers-again?msgid=80797373#80797373

Where they are accusing feminists of putting razorblades behind stickers.

But despite photographing every minute of their waking lives, they forgot to take photos of themselves 'covered in blood'.

And they still think they are supporting the cause to allow them access to women and children who are naked!

I wasn't on the NSPCC thread although I read the excellent and pertinent questions asked on it.

And it freaks me out that the NSPCC don't have any answers.

That's the outcome of the whole thing for me, and I imagine for a lot of parents. I'm very very worried that the NSPCC has no answers on the subject of the dismantling of sex segregated spaces and the effect that dismantling will have on safeguarding. I'm not reassured AT ALL if a big, well known safeguarding charity is unable or unwilling to answer the questions on that thread.

(And I think the PANTS campaign is overly simplistic to the point of being dangerous especially in the current climate. It is outdated and misleading and the NSPCC are hopelessly behind the times if they weren't anticipating the sort of questions that were asked on the thread.)

2nd August 2018

'Bearded Aberdeen paedophile jailed for downloading vile baby rape images starts secret life as woman after transitioning in Scots jail
(summary source )

Christopher Noble, 32, transitioned to Christyl Knight while behind bars for keeping a stash of over 4,000 vile pictures and videos of kids as young as six months old.

The con is desperate for a fresh start but child protection expert Claude Knights said: “Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

“Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

And an outraged mum whose son was murdered by a paedo has demanded a legal change over perv Christyl Knight’s new life as a female.

Campaigner Margaret-Ann Cummings, 43, insisted sex offenders should be forced to keep the identities they are jailed for.

She said: “Authorities shouldn’t let paedophiles rewrite history. They should have to keep their identities intact while they’re still on the register."

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

Claude Knights was the head of the charity Kidscape for many years. She is chair of the Anti-Bullying Alliance a member of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Bullying and of the Lords and Commons Family and Child Protection Group

Oh and the goady fuckery on this thread has steeped to an all new low. Chucking accusations of blame for CHILD ABUSE about willy nilly is SICK.

Francis Crook: executive director of the Howard League for Penal Reform

June 2nd 2018 Frances Crook said that she was worried that ‘some men with a history of extreme violence and sexual violence against women have found a new way of exercising aggression towards women’

‘These men are not transitioning because they like women and want to be a woman, but in order to exert a new kind of control and dominance over women, a sort of infiltration.

‘Moreover, the process is inherently discriminatory. A woman identifying as a man could not be transferred to a man’s jail because placing a person with female attributes into a prison to live with 1,000 men, all using communal showers and living areas, would put them in serious danger.’
source:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

Rat, do you disagree that if everything will be 100% hunky dory, and the NSPCC know this as they have looked into it, then they should have been able to answer the question and say so?

Do you not agree that it looks bad, and looks like they do not have the information to back up their claim?

That's the crux of this thread, imo.

Argue with GC feminists on the detail all you want, but do you honestly think this - to the random, impartial observer - looks like the NSPCC has got this in hand?

It's all very very concerning R0wantrees.

I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that this apparent link between sexual predators and trans ideology cannot be a coincidence.

Perhaps genderism and wokeness are being cynically used as trojan horses. But it is up to those who wish to dismantle sex segregation to show that they have done the risk assessments and that there is no trojan horse and no damage done to safeguarding.

Safeguarding comes about as the result of DAMAGE and HARM to real people. It isn't there to spoil people's fun "queering" stuff or in order to spoil a narcissistic desire for validation of identity politics dogma. It is there for an important, humane and proven time and time again to be valid reason.

And we all know what the real problem is.

Male violence

It isn't feminists wanting to keep sex segregated spaces (we need them because male violence).

It isn't people concerned about safeguarding (we need it because male violence).

The answer to all of this controversy is quite clearly that male violence is out of hand and cannot be tolerated. But it is. And that is somehow, in this twisted and woman hating society we live in, women's fault, women's responsibility, women's mess to clear up.

Fuck that.

Girls and women are not responsible for male violence. We are its victims.

Which, BTW, brings me back to @RatRolyPoly.

Many of whom's posts on this thread blame women for male violence.

Because we opened our mouths and dared to ask questions about male violence.

FFS

Maybe more women are signing up with incredulity that women like Rat are openly admitting they want to remove preventative effects for girls. I believe that's called collateral damage.

This is insane