To think we need to talk about this specific serious Brexit issue without being hidden away?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45250070
Leaked emails between NHS England and NHS Providers have shown that a no deal Brexit (Nrexit?) will have a real risk of impact on services. Stockpiling of equipment and drugs seems to be the main point of discussion - this seems to be main topic of conversation at my hospital and my colleagues are dumbfounded that this is what we are coming to.

We as a community, as nation, a society need to talk about this. The NHS is something to be proud of, is something they banged on about whilst campaigning, is something fit for advertising on a bus! How on earth can this country let be impacted in such a dangerous and aggressive way?

Look, I get why the whole of AIBU can’t be taken us by one topic but equally Brexit, particularly a no-deal Brexit is going to impact our lives in ways in which we can’t imagine. This topic needs to be discussed on the widest forum and on this site that is AIBU. There are lots of sub forums for clothes, pets, relationships and those topics don’t get rerouted elsewhere.

It’s not just the NHS. Many industries are contemplating apocalyptic scenarios like this. We have enjoyed living in a country that had its shit together for so long now we are going to experience what it’s like when it doesn’t. It won’t be fun.

And it’s all self inflicted. It’s utter bloody madness.

It will not be fun.

I am terrified about being on the frontline (I’ll be on Mat leave but who knows if I’ll be able to stay off for as long as I intended) of NHS services in 2019.

Yes, absolutely. And the other issues. Listen to this interview with the road haulage boss about half way through this programme (Radio 4, the World this Weekend, on Sunday).
It’s very frightening, not least because it says that the Secretary of State, Chris Grayling, has no clue.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bfx4w8

It is terrifying. I forsee civil war. Honestly.

Us Brits aren’t terribly good at civil war, revolution just isn’t how we do things historically so I think that is definitely leaning to more pessimistic end of the spectrum. We KBO, we keep calm & make irritating signs about it . Panicking, in general, doesn’t help. That’s why these were communications between departments about possible risks and how best to prepare, not missives to the general public about how we’re all doomed.

Also not sure what you mean by being hidden away, this issue is all over mainstream media. Your link is the BBC! It is being talked about. There’s huge campaigns all over the place. There’s no conspiracy to hush it up. What do you actually want to discuss, apart from ‘isn’t it scary’? Do you think that’s a useful thing to do?

You can prepare your own household and workplace. You can join existing campaigns against Brexit or for a second vote, and lobby those individuals or organisations that could actually alter the course of things. But just spreading fear isn’t a useful or particularly civic minded thing to do, IMO.

But just spreading fear isn’t a useful or particularly civic minded thing to do, IMO.

Agree with this, so many Chicken Littles on these threads

But just spreading fear isn’t a useful or particularly civic minded thing to do, IMO.

No, much better for the lumpenproletariat to remain in blissful ignorance.

Okh come on - do you seriously think pharmaceutical companies are that bothered. They are like arms dealers, they follow the coin. Take a deep breath and straighten your wig - it'll be alright.

So it would be civic minded to ignore Brexit, keep a stiff upper lip and head towards a potential disaster without making a fuss?

Moussemouse you are so right. Now the reality is hitting home, the Brexiteers are digging their heads further and further into the sand.

It is unlikely to ‘be fine’. It’s not spreading fear, it’s askin people to open their eyes.

There's a whole, active topic for this sort of stuff. Just like S&B, or relationships. Only the most popular subjects actually have active, go-to topics. Why in earth do you want to 'devalue' discussions on Brexit by a whiny-sounding AIBU??

Of course, just like any political subject, not everyone will agree.

And of course, today's news about NHS trusts statements is a complaint that there is insufficient information from the centre. A statement made just ahead of the planned statement on Thursday. Now as the date and topic of the Thursday statement has been known for some time, why did they choose to make this statement now. They knew that what they are appalling for - more info- is imminent. So the timing can I think only be grandstanding.

The NHS/NiCE stop me from getting the drugs I need for my chronic condition. Drugs that were available to me when I lived abroad (non EU manufactured) and drugs that my private consultant in the UK is not allowed to perscribe. So I say roll on Brexit hopefully it will improve my situation. And many others in similar circumstances. Selfish as that is. And I agree all this doom mongering is so pointless. As if ‘big pharma’ will let Brexit stand in their way.

Brexit needs a wider audience. It is being dismissed as 'just politics' or "any political subject" but it is substantively different.

One decision could have a really serious long term impact on the U.K.

People are refusing to face up to the gravity of their choice and the potential long term implications.

This is not a General Election that can be reversed. This is the most important political decision since WW2.

We are walking blindly towards god knows what and people are worried because "it's a bit boring"......

yourself Lakie, think you missed the rest of the paragraph you quoted where I suggested more productive courses of action. It’s not a binary choice between ignorance and ‘DOOM!’.

Yes, it is worrying - especially for time-sensitive treatments like isotopes for radiotherapy, which rely on swift transit. A no-deal scenario would be a disaster, BUT everyone involved in negotiations understands this and is working to get a deal. Possibly quite a rubbish deal from an economic point of view, but at least one which will still allow urgent medical supplies to enter the country.

The OP is right to flag this, though, because it's yet another reason why no deal as advocated by the right-wing head-bangers would be appalling for the British people.

roll on Brexit hopefully it will improve my situation

Really? Parts of the NHS will be sold off to American companies - good luck with getting coverage with your pre-existing condition.

You were lied to when you were promised £350 million extra per week for the NHS.

Serendipity not sure why you think the English aren't good at civil wars, we had three in the space of 10 years over exactly this issue of who makes the laws of England: parliament, or some unelected remote half-Danish aristocratic rich eurocrat foreigner. 4% of the population died, then parliamentarians ballsed it all up, and they had to invite a Dutch guy to come in and fix the whole thing and unify England and Scotland again.

I'm rather hoping the news that the government is about to issue advice about how to cope with a no-deal Brexit will start a few muffled warning bells in the heads of a couple of hardline leave-voters I know. Currently it's all 'Yeah! Taking our borders back! It's all scaremongering designed to overturn the will of the people.'

I've read through some industry-specific reports - all available online - and it's worried me enough that I've started stockpiling. We're also having a serious think about how to protect our finances.

Not that I think that means people should panic, mind, but it's interesting that we were fighting over this issue in 1642 and now it looks like we'll still be fighting over it in 2042...!

All of which kind of proves Serens point, we're not very good at civil wars!

Does anyone have a link for the statement from the Road Haulage Association (keep losing Wifi when I try to search). It's sobering reading.

I already have coverage, have done for years in UK and abroad. As well as being a high rate tax payer, yes I still paid tax when I was away too. I would love the UK to have a proper functioning private health care system. Have you ever lived in a country that has one? They do exist. So people who can afford to pay for healthcare have to do so, on top of taxes. They get access to great care with no restrictions on clinical decisions, drug availability etc etc. Everyone else gets a well funded NHS. So people like my and DHs parents, who are sitting on pots of cash don’t get NHS treatment which costs millions, that means more and better care for those who can’t afford it. It makes sense and I hope it happens at some point. It needs to happen. People who can pay should pay, what is so wrong with that?

Yes probably not good at civil wars that actually settle things. But those were real wars, certainly not just a matter of stiff upper lips and a few keep calm and carry on posters!! Any country can have a civil war - there's nothing so special about us that means it could never happen here. I had a friend who used to wet the bed at university - I caught her once bundling the sheets out at 4am - turns out she lived through the siege of Sarajevo in a basement when she was a kid and still had nightmares. That was 1992-96.

MrsNWA - so you're an I'm Alright Jack kind of Brexiteer?

I agree the NHS needs a massive overall but I want us to move to a system similar to France or Germany - not the American way that I fear Brexit will force upon us.

Three of many RHA statements:
www.rha.uk.net/news/press-releases/2018-07-july/haulage-permits-legislation-is-no-contingency-if-we-get-a-no-deal-brexit
www.rha.uk.net/news/press-releases/2018-08-august/a-no-deal-brexit-will-stop-rock-from-rolling-says-rha
www.rha.uk.net/news/press-releases/2018-08-august/another-brexit-meeting-%E2%80%93-still-no-government-clarity