To think we need to talk about this specific serious Brexit issue without being hidden away?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45250070
Leaked emails between NHS England and NHS Providers have shown that a no deal Brexit (Nrexit?) will have a real risk of impact on services. Stockpiling of equipment and drugs seems to be the main point of discussion - this seems to be main topic of conversation at my hospital and my colleagues are dumbfounded that this is what we are coming to.

We as a community, as nation, a society need to talk about this. The NHS is something to be proud of, is something they banged on about whilst campaigning, is something fit for advertising on a bus! How on earth can this country let be impacted in such a dangerous and aggressive way?

Look, I get why the whole of AIBU can’t be taken us by one topic but equally Brexit, particularly a no-deal Brexit is going to impact our lives in ways in which we can’t imagine. This topic needs to be discussed on the widest forum and on this site that is AIBU. There are lots of sub forums for clothes, pets, relationships and those topics don’t get rerouted elsewhere.

Yes, thank you AnyaMumsnet

Note that the only cruel comments so far is from people who are anticipating insults instead of discussion, and so have decided to supply their own.

Personally, I have been watching and waiting for 2 years for signs that the government was really looking hard at the genuine challenges to re-orientating the truly enormous number of complicated regulatory bodies, trade agreements, customs logistics and other complex implementation issues and had both a vision and a plan for making it real.

I have been disappointed to discover that the government has decided that it didn't need to come up with a workable plan to leave the EU because they are confident that the public isn't paying attention to anything that can't be summed up in a 20-second soundbite.

So instead of agreeing an "orderly withdrawal" (phase 1) and then getting on with planning the best possible future for UK citizens (phase 2), we are instead watching the government dicking around threatening to crash our economy. It's like a bad ex threatening to kill himself if you don't feel sorry for him after he's told you he's off.

bellinisurge
I suspect according to hard core remainers we won't ever be ready. According to everyone else we will get close to ready by the end of March, a little disruption after we leave and sort out the rest in April.

Wow, I've not read/heard that news anywhere!

It's because all we need to do is believe really hard and chant "Wingardium leviosa!"

So on the OP bit (as im going to feel guilty if i dont contribute) i am concerned about the NHS

Even if I believe that itll all be ok in the end the NHS is already in trouble so i think it will get worse before it gets better (if ever)

And following the referendum i know that the local hospital is realky struggling to get staff

It used to be that any foreign EU nurses had to have a certain (very very high) standard of English...i dunno how they measure it as ive forgotten but lets say it was level 5, now they are recruiting nurses at level 4 as they have had to open up the pool as it were

Plus there is logically a delay in getting them here and in recruiting new local staff...ive been told that levels wont be back to the 'normal' level for 3 years

I assume that similar is happening in other hospitals

And most people seem to think that it will be

A) a bit difficult for a few years but ok in the end

Or

B) a bit difficult for ever

Either way...i think the NHS is in trouble,

@Walkingdeadfangirl - we haven't started building customs houses anywhere at the ports. We haven't recruited new staff for the border. How on earth do you expect us to be ready by March 2019? Ireland has been getting itself sorted to handle EU freight that bypasses UK. We have done nothing.
We aren't even ready for Cloud cuckoo land .

I think civil unrest it extremely likely, civil war is certainly possible. I would not be at all surprised if Russia airdrops weapons to the leavers.

The NHS is a lost cause. It won’t survive Brexit. I would be planning to treat my own wounds. Hospitals A. Won’t be functioning. B. Places you don’t want to be with the coming violence.

Is this a Remoaner "Project Fear" thread in disguise?

Catch yourself on.

@RedneckStumpy - I doubt civil war. I doubt Russia getting across EU airspace to drop weapons. You are translating your experience in the US to ours here. Doesn't mean I'm not a prepper like you but, like all preppers, you look for the likely, not the unlikely.
Some rioting? Maybe. But nothing the police or even army can't handle.

I assume that similar is happening in other hospitals

I work in A&E we don’t have as many EU and non EU workers as the other wards in the hospital but we are losing the ones we do have at a rapid rate. The U.K. is not recruiting and training anywhere enough British nurses and doctors to replaced those we are losing.

I am from Ireland and have had dozens of patients ask me when I’m going home.

I try extremely hard not to insult Brexit Supporters

but I'm still waiting for a SINGLE ONE OF THEM
to tell me
what three things in their day to day life will be better because of Brexit

there are lots of soundbites and waffle about "taking back control"
and fluffiness like "just trade under the WTO"
with no analysis or awareness of the boring realities of getting lettuces from Spain to Sainsburys

Finally a thread on healthcare and brexit!

The word needs to get out, people on medications need to be allowed to stockpile themselves, any delays or shortages will cause harm or even death. End of. On this alone brexcrement should be canceled as it is a pile of shit which will hurt the poorest and vulnerable.

One in five people in UK live with a disability, disabled people are not a tiny minority to be ignored.

Carers tooting my own horn are the backbone to this country and if anything happens to our loved ones due to brexcrement and twatty politicians then there will be hell to pay.

"I am from Ireland and have had dozens of patients ask me when I’m going home."
Bloody hell, op. My mum had that shit as an invited worker in the 50s

Isn't it an amazing coincidence that those politicians who think a hard Brexit is a great idea, also want to do away with the Nhs

And so many uk citizens think it's all a great idea.

"I am from Ireland and have had dozens of patients ask me when I’m going home."
Bloody hell, op. My mum had that shit as an invited worker in the 50s

Yep, same experience as my family in the 70's and 80's. When I mentioned this on another thread some posters dismissed this until I reminded them of the "no dogs, no blacks, no Irish" posters.

My mum has her revenge, of course, thanks to her, I am an Irish citizen- EU passport on its way. And thanks to her and FIL, my dd is entitled to the same.

My brother is disabled. The majority of his carers (who do 24 hours a day, two weeks on, two weeks off) are European or Commonwealth. Not many British people are interested in the job, even though it's bloody good money and he's out at work a lot of the time. I dress to think what will happen if his agency start struggling to recruit. It's a specialist agency for high level physical disabilities, they can't just not supply staff, people will quite literally be in danger of death.

I take medication daily. I can get by without it - I'll struggle to walk, but I won't die quickly , but I am trying to build in a small stockpile by popping my prescription in slightly early.

I just can't get over bloody JRM, 19th century cheerleader and chief Brexiteer - even he - says we won't see benefit for 50 years.

Ta1kinpeace
but I'm still waiting for a SINGLE ONE OF THEM to tell me what three things in their day to day life will be better because of Brexit

And you have been answered as to why they won't say anything.

You can promise to be as nice as you want but unless you can stop the nasty vindictive comments from all the other remainers it isn't going to happen.

It's come to this @honeysucklejasmine - if you voted Remain, I'm really sorry you are going through this stress. If you voted Leave, I don't care.
Never thought I'd feel like that.

@BoneyBackJefferson - or they are snowflakes who can't take it when it gets a bit hot.

@bellinisurge

You just lost a whole load of credibility with "snowflakes".

@BoneyBackJefferson
I too wish that the snide insults would stop (yes you bellini)
as they are why threads got shunted in the first place

but its really tiring when those who say Brexit is a good idea
never come up with tangible reasons that everybody can read and consider in ten months time

yup, the 52% won the referendum
but its very unclear what any of them expected to change on a daily basis from it
and that will lead to yet more anger and resentment

which we could all do without

Oh dear. Did the naughty poster say naughty things about diddums other posters who voted Leave?
I'm really sorry.