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To think we need to talk about this specific serious Brexit issue without being hidden away?

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HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 21/08/2018 05:09

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45250070
Leaked emails between NHS England and NHS Providers have shown that a no deal Brexit (Nrexit?) will have a real risk of impact on services. Stockpiling of equipment and drugs seems to be the main point of discussion - this seems to be main topic of conversation at my hospital and my colleagues are dumbfounded that this is what we are coming to.

We as a community, as nation, a society need to talk about this. The NHS is something to be proud of, is something they banged on about whilst campaigning, is something fit for advertising on a bus! How on earth can this country let be impacted in such a dangerous and aggressive way?

Look, I get why the whole of AIBU can’t be taken us by one topic but equally Brexit, particularly a no-deal Brexit is going to impact our lives in ways in which we can’t imagine. This topic needs to be discussed on the widest forum and on this site that is AIBU. There are lots of sub forums for clothes, pets, relationships and those topics don’t get rerouted elsewhere.

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Hazardswan · 21/08/2018 21:26

walking here this explains more and more eloquently...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-brexit-disability-disabled-nodeal-independent-a8486021.html

Hazardswan · 21/08/2018 21:31

walking article explaining the "real risk to services"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45250070

Sorry I don't want to bombared you just share the information we all need to know.

BoneyBackJefferson · 21/08/2018 21:39

Moussemoose
Ok if no one has said that then will someone answer the question.

Already answered that.

Posters won't generally answer that because some posters get shirty.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 21/08/2018 21:46

so you want to be he only country in the world trading on pure WTO terms That's obviously ONLY the starting point.

Hazardswan If leaving the EU costs lives then that is a massive reason why we should NOT be in it. The UK should not be dependant on the EU for the lives of its people.

we are subservient to international laws and treaties Believe that if you want but its a fantasy. You think the USA, Russia or China follow international laws? Did international laws stop Russia from attacking us with chemical weapons? What did the EUs rulers Germany do? Nothing they are subservient to Russia because they control their energy supply. FFS Putin was attnded a ministers wedding in an EU country a few months ago!

I will look at the articles you linked asap.

DopeyDazy · 21/08/2018 21:47

I don't think there will be civil war but bad shit will happen for sure . I can see immigrants being blamed for shortages and if I was here from another country I'd bugger off somewhere better PDQ

Jason118 · 21/08/2018 21:51

I think the main benefit I'm beginning to understand is not what Brexit gives us, it's actually what it removes. Walkingdead makes the point that we will no longer be subservient to the EU which implies we had no say before (even though of course we did as a member). So a vote for leaving for leavers was based on a feeling of having no say, rather than the facts, the same for the other points she makes. Arguing against feelings is tricky, and I've noticed that opposing facts (well made and true) only seem to reinforce the feelings they have. It's why a further vote would be tricky, some people don't believe facts.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 21/08/2018 22:00

Hazardswan Your links...
Link 1, disabled people should be looked after by the UK, we should not be forced to do so by the EU. And I will vote for an MP who promises to do that.
Link 2, the NHS needs reform, hopefully Brexit will be the catalyst to do it really cant go on the way it is.

Hazardswan · 21/08/2018 22:04

walking I imagine you have problems with depending on others (either to much or to little) and your life lacks freedom.

Anyway have a read of the articles and see what you think then.

Hazardswan · 21/08/2018 22:04

Okay now I give up.....

Walkingdeadfangirl · 21/08/2018 22:07

Jason118 You can claim the UK had a democratic say in the EU. Well I would disagree, we had 1/28 of a say in stopping EU rules and zero say in making EU rules. I am not sure you can claim your opinion is a fact.

Peregrina · 21/08/2018 22:10

Did they only really want blue covered passports, which we could have had anyway?

Ta1kinpeace · 21/08/2018 22:11

we had 1/28 of a say in stopping EU rules and zero say in making EU rules
Which EU rules are you looking forward to getting rid of ?

Moussemoose · 21/08/2018 22:12

Walkingdeadfangirl

Believe that if you want but its a fantasy

The U.K. will continue to be subject to international laws and treaties, it is now and this will continue.

If we want to trade with the EU we will have to adhere to its rules.

We are a member of the ECHR - this will still be a final court for human rights.

International agreements on air travel etc will still be in force.

If we trade under WTO rules we have to obey those rules.

Referring to Germany as 'rulers' of the EU is disrespectful and incorrect. It demonstrates a lack of understanding of the democratic nature of EU institutions.

Moussemoose · 21/08/2018 22:14

Walkingdeadfangirl

The EU is a democratic organisation and that means you don't always get what you want.

Commissioners propose laws but they are thoroughly debated and modified by the European Parliament. We have elected MEPs who exert pressure there.

PestymcPestFace · 21/08/2018 22:18

Walking we had a 1/10 say in the EU rules as we had have roughly 10% of the MEPs. Because we have about 10% of the population.

Moussemoose · 21/08/2018 22:22

BoneyBackJefferson

You've already posted giving 3 evidence based reasons as to why leaving the EU is a good thing?

Excellent - could you point me in the direction please.

Jason118 · 21/08/2018 22:23

Stop providing factual responses to walkingdead, they won't work and just fuels the resentment she feels.

Jayfee · 21/08/2018 22:26

If everyone signs the online petition change.org/finalsay we can reject a hard Brexit. They are also having a big March in October.

BoneyBackJefferson · 21/08/2018 22:26

Moussemoose

No, I've posted why posters won't post and many won't engage.

chillpizza · 21/08/2018 22:32

I think the majority of people leave or remain are just fed up with hearing about it now. It feels like the negotiations have been going on for many more years than it has. Leavers I’ve insulted remainers and remainers have insulted leavers but that doesn’t actually help anyone does it? It just puts two sides against each other rather than working together agasint the government who are messing the whole thing up.

Regarding travel I’m not fussed in or out to be honest I’ve spent more time visiting non EU countries than I have EU countries. Immigration seems to be the main issue I will say we do have a section of our town known by a different name to it’s official as a lot of immigrants seems to all reside there and people feel it’s a no go area but that’s an isssue with mixing communities.

prettybird · 21/08/2018 22:34

I suppose if I mention the fact that any one of the E28 (or the E27 after the UK leaves) has a veto on trade deals (or a EU army, to mention just one of the other fallacies) would just irritate walkingdeadfangirl as it doesn't fit her story.

So until the UK leaves, it has a veto on important topics. Otherwise QMV is in place. You know, democracy Confused

rainbowsandsmiles · 21/08/2018 22:35

Oh yay, another Brexit thread. Hmm
YABU as there's a board for people who want to read about Brexit.
I voted Remain by the way, but FFS enough already.

honeysucklejasmine · 21/08/2018 22:36

@bellinisurge oh no, I'm a bitter, loser, miserable remoaner I'm afraid. Wink I'll be highly fucked off if my medication is disrupted so other people can have a unicorn. Or sovereignty. Or to keep the foreigners out, or to let different foreigners in, or whatever the hell they wanted.

rainbowsandsmiles · 21/08/2018 22:38

Why is Brexit a good idea? Why should we remain on course for Brexit?
What positive outcomes are we hoping for

You realise no one is likely to answer that, right? The identikit AIBU posts over the past few weeks have asked the same type of questions in all innocence (or so it seems) until someone falls for it and answers them.
Then the insults and playground ridiculousness starts up.
Not worth it. No-one wants to listen really, it's always made perfectly clear. Better off in the echo chamber of the Brexit boards where everybody's happy having the same viewpoint.

Peregrina · 21/08/2018 22:45

I don't think this point has been made on any of these threads but during the late 1930s when it was becoming clear that war with Germany would happen, the UK government started to make provision, with e.g. work being done on nutrition in 1938 as a prelude to introducing food rationing. But it's one thing to have to endure rationing, however well worked out it was, to fight a war against an evil regime. Quite another to have food shortages because of men like Farage and Johnson with big mouths and nothing else to recommend them.

It might have been hoped that in July 2016, Gove, Johnson, Redwood, Rees-Mogg and all the others in the Leave camp were getting their sleeves rolled up ready to make plans. Instead Johnson immediately ran away to play cricket, Rees-Mogg and Redwood are making plans to shift their money out of the UK.