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24 year old son desperate to move back home

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GillGro · 02/08/2018 07:57

Please help - this is worrying me sooo much. My son was kicked out of home about 2 years ago as a result of stealing, aggression, cannabis smoking, mess, disrespect etc etc. Our home life was a nightmare and we were always walking on egg shells. His stepfather and I couldn't stand it any longer. He is now desperate to move back in - he still smokes cannabis, is depressed and not good with money, but swears it will be different. We are now used to a peaceful, clean and tidy home and don't want this to change. We are really torn - will he change his ways if he moves back in? I worry that he is at rock bottom and may try something stupid, so would being back in the family help him? Whereas his step dad is convinced it will all slip back into the old ways very quickly. Any advice as this is tearing us apart. I have unconditional love, his stepdad (who is incredibly patient in everything else) sees the bigger picture. The plan is to sit down and have a long talk with him this weekend, and then decide - but if anyone has experienced this before it would be a big help.

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Starlight345 · 02/08/2018 08:46

@Enirem .

I have lived with the effects of cannabis . It is a horrible way to live. You can support someone without feeling at risk of your stuff been stolen , walking on eggshells . It’s not the depression it’s the drugs . The cannabis will be adding to his depression. Until he wants to give up nothing will change

Fluffycloudland77 · 02/08/2018 08:46

I can't help think that if he was really more mature now moving home to mum wouldn't be part of the plan.

absoluteclassic · 02/08/2018 08:47

I would let him stay but only on the basis he agrees to not break house rules. I.e no smoking full stop, in or out of the house anywhere and he needs to pitch in with keeping the house clean.

CoraPirbright · 02/08/2018 08:47

All roads lead to Rome......and all your ds’s troubles lead back to the weed. If you can persuade him to see this then his life will improve immeasurably. Is there any chance of that?

But no, I wouldnt be letting him move back in. If he is still drug taking then nothing will change.

CesiraAndEnrico · 02/08/2018 08:47

I wouldn't be able to say no

Me neither.

But that is really easy for me to say because I was the lost and broken teenager/young adult in the child/parent equation. And I have a particularly easy going, highly focused, well behaved 18yo who hangs the moon for me.

Plus I know the step-father bit is setting off (my entirely projected) parental wants before child's needs alarm system. So I can't be rational or disapassionate about the context.

Is there any way you could get some appropriatly professional fresh eyes on the situation from all angles ?

While MN is amazingly helpful and and has helped me carry myself at my most broken through some really difficult times and circumstances, there is the potential for lay people to project emotionally all over your circs (not pointing that at Anyfucker despite quoting her above, she has probably helped more people on MN than any other individual poster in the site's history, including me, and tends to have a good eye for cutting through the chaff to the heart of the matter) and view them through a highly personal lens that may not be applicable to your detailed individual circumstances.

There is a lot at stake. You boy's future, you ability to live with the fall out of either choice, your relationship with your husband... that's Big Stakes + High Risk from my perspective.

It would be nice if that sort of support and advice came free and in a timely fashion via the state, but often it doesn't work that way. So I think I'd be inclined to go without an awful lot to scrape together the money to access private services if state funded options are not on the table in the necessary timespan.

Again, the above comes from a position of bias. My parents and their circle over estimated their ability to know what was best all round and understand what was being viewed through a self serving lens. I forgive them. It is very common human mid-step, to overestimate your own ability to navigate very complicated issues and situations when you have a dog in the hunt and want some peace from it all. But I haven't forgotten how much it cost me and the permanent marks it left on me. I think I was worth a second, more expert, opinion.

I believe my father would have died happier and my mother would be living better too, if they had done that rather than rely on their own not exactly unbiased perspectives to guide them at the time.

Because I wanted peace too. I was exhausted too. I was hurt and felt rejected and unvalued too. And as the youngest, least experienced person in the mix, I had even fewer tools than they did to untangle it all and make things better. Yet the onus was primarily placed on me to be able to climb Mount Everest, on my own, in ballet slippers and make things right.

crunchymint · 02/08/2018 08:48

kateandme And in the same way when someone has had a stroke, they need to be encouraged to do things for themselves that are realistically within their capability. Otherwise they will not recover from the stroke as much as they could have.
It is never helpful, however tempting it might be, to do everything for someone with a mental or physical illness unless it is so severe the person needs help with basic eating, washing, etc.

ToothTrauma · 02/08/2018 08:48

kateandme mental health issues aren’t an ‘Opt Out of All Responsibility’ card. I’ve had severe MH issues my whole life, including hospitalisations, and while having them is not OP’s son’s fault, it IS his responsibility to do as much as he can to mitigate his circumstances and aid his recovery, just as it would be if he’d had a stroke or something else. He needs to stop doing drugs and seek help. Nobody can do that for him.

OP is not a MH professional. She can’t take this on for her son. All she can do is offer love and support and that doesn’t include letting him ruin her hard-won peaceful home life.

Sunshineface123 · 02/08/2018 08:49

I think a time limit would be wise if you do decide he can move back else he might end up staying indefinitely. You should charge rent too so he doesn't have lots of disposable money which might get spent on weed.

Branleuse · 02/08/2018 08:51

No way, hes mid twenties, hes a full on adult. He just wants cheap rent and a cleaner and maid service. If hes got no SEN then theres no reason he should be living at home. He needs to stand on his own now. Plus you dont want him there and thats the most important factor of all

BewareOfDragons · 02/08/2018 08:51

he still smokes cannabis, is depressed and not good with money, but swears it will be different

Don't do it.

Nothing has changed except now he has no place to live. He has done this, Not you. And he's STILL not willing to change, but thinks he will magically be different and sort himself out if he's living with you? He won't. He's still finding the money and time to smoke cannabis. He still has figured out how to sort money. And I imagine the aggression and mess will come with him, too.

He needs to commit to quitting the drugs, and getting help to deal with himself and financial planning.

kateandme · 02/08/2018 08:52

toothtrauma I do know this.sorry,its very hard to put it down in words what I mtryin to say
.i know he needs to act in certain ways to help himself or at least enough to keep himself safe enough for his mum then to do the loving and supporting bit.

Anonymumm · 02/08/2018 08:52

@ShatnersWig - well said

@kateandme I've heard people trying to draw lines between mental health and using cancer, etc. To try and compare the two....

There is still stigma against mental health, whichever way you cut it. However, having a parent who has been through cancer, twice, and having lost 4 members of my family to the disease, it actually really irks me when people make this kind of comparison.

Keep it generic, in that mental health is just as important as physical health, and a healthy mind is just as important as a healthy body, but please don't break it down into specific illnesses (including stroke) like that.

The things that really break down stigma, are things like speaking openly and honestly, like @ShatnersWig

crunchymint · 02/08/2018 08:52

Cesira Sorry you went through that. But I and some others are not saying he does not help and support. He does. But better to do that while he is living in his house share.
I have no idea what OP has already done, but I would be phoning a service like Frank to talk to and get advice about what is the best approach re his cannabis use. That is at the heart of the issue and if he was no longer taking weed, any other issues could be worked on more easily.

Anonymumm · 02/08/2018 08:53

@Toothtrauma well said, this is the other key component, wanting to get better and taking responsibility - without that co-operation and commitment it is very difficult.

lightonthewater · 02/08/2018 08:56

If it was me I would let him back. If he is desperate and has no where else to turn, how would you feel if something terrible happened? I agree with others, you need to agree ground rules. He needs to pay rent, and cannabis is completely out. Tell him if you smell it or see it, he is leaving next day. He must go to the GP and get help, and go for counselling. You need to see that he is actually doing something to change. Also set a three month probationary period. If you aren't happy by then, he has to go.

thethoughtfox · 02/08/2018 08:57

Can you get at home drug tests? Two months of clean tests and and he can move back home from a trial month or two. But he keeps his room on during that time so he can go straight back if it doesn't work out.

Anonymumm · 02/08/2018 08:57

@kateandtrauma

Sometimes being loving and supportive is doing something that may go against the grain, but, ultimately, is in the best interest of the person.

Whichever decision OP ultimately makes, she will still be being loving and supportive - it is not the allowing him to move back in part that will constitute this.

BIWI · 02/08/2018 08:57

Why does he want to move back though? You need to get to the bottom of that.

If he thinks it's to save money, you need to knock that firmly on the head.

Find out what the going rate is for a room in a house in your area and tell him that's the rent he'll be paying, and you won't be taking cash - it has to be in the form of a regular standing order. No payment and he moves out.

I think this is a combination of tough love and maternal love! If my 26 yo DS was struggling and wanted to come home, I'd allow him to. If I thought it was because he wanted to freeload, no way!

The other thing is the laying down of clear rules. What he has to do to earn his place in the household. So helping with cooking and cleaning, and tidying/cleaning his own room.

It goes without saying, of course, that stealing would be an immediate eviction. And you need to a) make it clear that would be the case and b) be prepared to carry the threat out.

I'm a bit more tolerant of the cannabis, simply because it's so widespread - although I would be very clear that it's not allowed in my house. Again, one breach of those rules and he would be out.

If he's suffering from depression, I'd also be going with him to the GP to get him diagnosed and on a course of treatment - and then make sure he follows it, whether this is counselling or medication. Again, failure to comply means eviction.

Not a nice place to be in - you have my sympathy.

Above all, though, you and your partner have to agree on all of this. I think you need to be tougher and he needs to be more reasonable!

Good luck Flowers

somewhereawayfromhere · 02/08/2018 08:59

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DistanceCall · 02/08/2018 09:05

If he has a job, why does he need to live with you? Why doesn't he share a flat with other people?

Tidy2018 · 02/08/2018 09:07

I think stepdad is right - your son will not change, and your calm home will disappear in a couple of weeks. I think you need to use tough love and support each other in refusing to have him back.

He couldn't or wouldn't change two years ago and he was kicked out. He hasn't changed since, and being back with family won't change him now. He has to want to change, and the remedy is in his own hands.

I think your unconditional love for your son may lead you to think you can fix him. The fact is, sometimes love is not enough.

Does he really want to change or is he just missing home comforts?

Unfortunately, depression affects motivation. I know how hard it is to see a grownup child go off the rails when the solution is really obvious to the parents, but your son will not take resposibity until he wants to.

His GP should be able to refer him to online groups and therapy / counselling which can be more acceptable to young men who may be reluctant to go in person.

There are nice house shares out there. There is budgeting help online. Also housekeeping and cooking. There are support groups and library books and 12-step groups. The problem is the lack of motivation.

You say that stepdad is patient. Let him guide DS to various solutions and practical support from those who are trained to do so. Take the emotion out of the conversation. Leave them aalone for a man-to-man talk for a while.

Sorry for the lecture. I know how hard it is.

Lovemusic33 · 02/08/2018 09:08

I know it’s hard, I have been there with my step son but I think you need to refuse for him to return unless he’s off the cannabis and getting help for the depression (not just one gp visit, actively seeking help).

VladmirsPoutine · 02/08/2018 09:11

I couldn't say no and watch my son unravel. Potentially leading to his death or even further decline.

CardinalCat · 02/08/2018 09:13

It is such a Mumsnet thing to say 'he's an adult now, let him stand on his own two feet'.

I'm so glad that my parents weren't like that to me and my sibling, as we have both had cause to return to the family home at various points in our lives (most recently for me in my mid 30s after a bad relationship breakdown, where I was struggling with mh issues too).
Having said that, I was under no illusons that I was coming back to the family home- not to a hotel or a dosshouse, and that I would be expected to behave properly, get help for my issues, go to work, and contribute to family life.

Can you have him back but subject to some pretty clear rules? (kicking the weed would be one of them I imagine). It sounds like he needs some rules in his life. 24 is not THAT grown up, and it doesn't matter that you may have been married and in a good job by 24 in your own life- his life is not your life. HIs childhood was not your childhood.

Melliegrantfirstlady · 02/08/2018 09:16

You’ve not actually said what is so bad about his current accommodation

Could it be they are sick of him smoking weed? Is he behind on his rent? Is he not doing his fair share of chores?

He’s a big boy now. Let him get on with it.

It doesn’t seem like much has changed since he left home.