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To find my children's friend's 'accidents' really irritating

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Thingiebob · 25/07/2018 19:32

My children have a friend who lives directly opposite. They are the same age, same school but in different classes. They play together all the time at school and in the evenings and seem to enjoy it. She's 8 and I really want to like her but I am starting to find her quite annoying. She does stuff that drives me up the wall and actively affects my two. I'm close with her mum and I really don't want to fall out as we will be living opposite her for a long time, but she is starting to drive me nuts...

She's not REALLY naughty but has a tendency to just do stuff for no real reason. When I talk to her about it she always claims it was an 'accident'. For example, she chucked my youngest's shoes into a neighbour's garden and made him promise not to tell me. He did tell me the following day in tears after I had searched high and low for them. (He is quite young) When I gently talk to her about it, she runs off home and then I have to deal with her mum who always comes over to inform me it was an 'accident'.

She often damages or breaks my daughter's toys so now I've asked DD to not take anything expensive or dear to her out to play.

She can be quite rough - pushing and grabbing my two quite roughly. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's not an accident but again she always insists it is when I ask her to be more gentle. They'll be playing a game together then out of the blue she'll just yank DDs hair. The other day she hit her between her legs. To make things awkward she is currently being assessed for ASD and Sensory Integration Disorder so I know we all need to be patient with her but some days I want to keep her away from my children.

Other times they play happily together for hours. Her mum has told me that playing with my two has made a real difference to her dd's social skills and confidence and I have seen her behaviour improve over time. I can see the child is benefiting, and I am very proud of my two for how patient and kind they are with her. They are also very fond of her and enjoy hanging out with her, but sometimes they want a break and want to play together and practice their shared hobby. On these occasions she cries, goes home and tells her mum my two are being mean because they won't play with her despite my two always suggesting she joins them. She hates their hobby and refuses to do it. I then get her mum knocking on the door telling me my two are ignoring her DD and could I have a word with them. This has happened twice now and I fear I am going to snap soon as I feel she is not entitled to my kids spare time all the time. Her mum ignores her behaviour.

I HATE that she irritates me so much. It makes me feel horrid as she's not a bad kid and she's had a tough time lately. She can be sweet, fun and good-natured and then she'll do something like deliberately draw all over DD's book or throw her food around. The other day she poured DS's entire juice carton down the drain... accident apparently.

Any advice on how to manage this sensitively?

OP posts:
Slanetylor · 31/07/2018 08:57

@branleuse that’s so interesting!
So there’s probably constant pressure on girls to conform to societies rules! But less on boys? That must surely contribute to girls being less likely to be diagnosed because they’re being trained to behave in a certain way all the time. Of course I shouldn’t be surprised, but it’s fascinating that the difference in expectations for boys/ girls is so noticeable.

Branleuse · 31/07/2018 09:04

Yeah it makes me sad, she always gets on better now with boys and sometimes an occasional more boisterous girl. I also find parents of boys are often much more forgiving and realistic about kids.
I wonder if this is what actually led to her questioning her gender for a couple of years! Social stuff seems so much simpler for little boys

Stimmyplip · 31/07/2018 09:22

Oh dear op. Did you have s name change fail?!

Kleinzeit · 31/07/2018 09:27

Lost it today as she was dragging and pushing my DD around to stop her from doing an activity. DD ran in and told me she had been pushed over and it was seen by another family member of mine.

Oh dear, I am so sorry, I was afraid something like this was going to happen sooner or later - but I thought she was away on holiday? Have you marched over to talk to her mother? Her mother marches over to complain to you, you need to doing the same when her DD attacks yours.

Losing it with the little girl is understandable but it's no use. She doesn't understand what happened - in her mind what she did was reasonable and was your DDs fault. Her behaviour and lack of understanding are not unusual for a child with autism (though I'm not saying all children with ASCs do this) and she needs specialist help. She will not be presenting an accurate picture of what happened to her own mother either.

"Free play" is one of the hardest things for children with ASCs to negotiate safey with other children. I don't think this situation is fair on your DDs, you said they play with her all the time at school and after school. They are putting up with aggression and having their toys broken, they can't play the games they want to play, things only go well when they adjust to her not the other way round. And the little girl is so very dependent on them which may be stopping them making other friendships.

OP, you need to protect your DDs. Cut down their time time with her. Maybe take a break altogether. And have you marched over to talk to her mother? Her mother marches over to complain to you, you need to doing the same when her DD attacks yours. I know you don't want to quarrel with her but losing it with her DD isn't going to keep the peace either.

Good luck!

Kleinzeit · 31/07/2018 09:31

I really REALLY notice a massive difference in the social expectations towards my daughter compared to my sons, who seem to be allowed to make mistakes and do stupid stuff without being written off as a terrible person or a lost cause.

I noticed that girls made a bigger effort to be kind to my DS but they also felt much more upset when he thumped them or broke things. Boys were less deliberately kind but much more forget-and-move-on, physical fights were more part of their lives. It was a different dynamic.

Kleinzeit · 31/07/2018 09:32

(sorry for repetition in first post - cut and paste fail Grin)

TheClientList · 31/07/2018 09:38

Can't stand parents that are too quick to think there kid is perfect! Clearly haven't given consequences for toys for other people's things I'm not perfect and neither is my two year old but god damn she has manners and to know not to touch stuff that isn't hers unless I say so! Sounds like mother is very lazy. Also for the kid to be hitting like that must've been learning it from somewhere? Mum? Someone at school?

And as for my sister she has autism so you know how severe that gets even she isn't horrible enough to pull someone's hair nor destroy other people's things.

Stimmyplip · 31/07/2018 09:40

@TheClientList Hmm

Stimmyplip · 31/07/2018 09:41

@TheClientList my brother has autism. He sometimes hurts himself or others. He's not 'horrible'. He has autism.

Thingiebob · 31/07/2018 09:50

Yes name change fail! What a plum. I thought she had gone on holiday with her grandparents to be honest but seems I got the wrong week. I was surprised when she came over.

I didn’t march over, no. I’m still too much of a coward.

Anyway thank you all, Probably going to let this thread die now.

OP posts:
TheClientList · 31/07/2018 09:50

@Stimmyplip I obviously didn't mean it like that and you know that and I understand how bad it gets didn't mean to offend you or anyone about that comment but it just infuriates me when people use the "accident" excuse or "kids will be kids" when it's just not good enough kids copy things or they've just never been disciplined and taught the proper way to respect toys and other people's stuff.

Kleinzeit · 31/07/2018 09:54

And as for my sister she has autism so you know how severe that gets even she [doesn't] pull someone's hair nor destroy other people's things.

How many other children with ASCs have you met? I've met loads over the years. Some of them are like your DSis. Others - including many of the more able ones - are not.

Kleinzeit · 31/07/2018 09:58

ThingieBob Flowers for you and your DDs, you've really done your best.

TheClientList · 31/07/2018 10:07

@Kleinzeit I've been around many I was put in care at 13 and there would be groups for children in care or events and days out to feel a little 'normal' the amount of kids I would see that have autism. (Or any disability) I met one girl she's fantastic she has Autism but doesn't hit others and doesn't hit her self she did self harm like pinching her legs but she just had no social interaction I still tried with her though! She was always in the own world like she's just not there. But when she was she was lovely. There's always different levels of autism some have it severe than others. But the comment I made I meant it as there's kids out there who do suffer with stuff still doesn't disrespect other people's stuff I didn't mean it in a horrible way Blush

FiestaThenSiesta · 31/07/2018 10:10

Report your post OP and MN will change the name so this thread won’t be associated with your regular user name. Lots of good advice on here, so it would be a shame to get the whole thing pulled

Notevilstepmother · 31/07/2018 10:11

This might be interesting reading. It does seem to me that some autistic girls do get very focused on one particular friend and it can be a very unhealthy dynamic. There doesn’t seem to be any understanding that the friend is anything else outside the friendship. Your daughter isn’t not this child’s doll, and does not have to play with this child all the time.

Notevilstepmother · 31/07/2018 10:12

someonesmum.co.uk/2017/07/06/am-i-autistic-2/

Forgot the link.

Cauliflowersqueeze · 31/07/2018 10:23

I would say to your neighbour that as the playing is upsetting everyone you’re going to have a break from it for a while. “Perhaps see Xx next week”

Her coming out with her sobbing child is beyond ridiculous.

One of the problems is that everything has been excused as an accident. Well if that’s the case then you can’t be responsible for another child’s accidents.

Why is it fair that you have all 3 kids trashing the house while she sits in judgement, child-free, in her spotless house?!

Strawberry2017 · 31/07/2018 10:45

Her daughter needs to learn what an accident really is, about choices and consequences. She's not helping her in the long run. Good luck OP

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