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Please help me deal with my son, 13, dating a girl at school

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User183737 · 20/07/2018 07:22

Hi
I need help as my experience if relationships is one violent marriage and a violent father. Thats it.
My son has a mobi phone and last night it flashed up a message from a girl saying she had won an award. To a club he has been begging to go to and he now starts next week.
There were also messages between them where they tell each other how wonderful they are, 'something' happened at school and he asked to kiss her but she said she wasnt ready, he said fine i will wait as i like you.
She has been asking to meet him before/after club as her dad lives near us-divorced parents.
Im happy he will go to club but pissed off he hasnt been honest about why. I also dont let my kids hang about the streets so wont be letting him see her after club. He also likes to go to school early so am stopping this.
Im concerned at his age about him having a relationship, i feel it is inappropriate and want to discourage it. I also feel discussing their kiss etc on whatsapp is trouble.i feel if they argue, he will be blamed. He hasnt done anything wrong and the messages are quite sweet but i feel a bit sickened that he hasnt been honest about it. Also that i cant trust him.
He is my eldest, i dont know what to do, he doesnt know ive seen the messages. I didnt want to invade his privacy by reading them but also dont want to let things go un noticed as he us so young. He gets time alone at home now but am going to stop this as she hangs around here apparently and has been asking to come round which will be an obvious no way.
Should i ban his phone? Stop him going to club? My mum shamed me into not being with boys, said it was disgusting, i also got bullied for being too ugly for relationships so if anyone were interested in me (they never have been or are), then i would know they were taking the piss. Im aware shaming him will make him hide his behaviour.
I honestly dont know what to do. To be honest im horrified and pissed off which is probably unreasonable which is why im asking for advice here.
Thanks in advance

OP posts:
ToothTrauma · 20/07/2018 09:14

I also was thinking of reducing hrs at work to put everything into their education. Now I dont see as much of a point because he will only sod off with some girl one day anyway.

First of all: if you are lucky, yes he WILL meet a nice woman and they may set up home together and have children of their own. If you want to be involved you need to work on this distrust of innocent girls. I’m sure you want to be an involved grandmother.

Secondly: I think if anything you need to find MORE stuff to do for yourself, not less. Work, hobbies, friendships. Making your kids the absolute be-all and end-all of your own life is a mistake. They grow up.

I’m seeing this through personally experienced eyes, I suppose. My DM and her sister both, unfortunately, married aresholes and ended up single mothers who had over-developed protection instincts. My DM had a fulfilling career, lots of friends, loads of interests. She made me fit in with her. Now I am grown up and married she loves my DH and we all enjoy a great relationship.

He DSis on the other hand became solely focused on her daughter and it has caused untold problems. She really stunted her daughter’s social development and became so bitter and envious when finally, in her 30s, my cousin met someone and wanted to move out, she made it incredibly difficult and almost lost her forever. They do have a relationship now but it’s strained and the rest of us don’t see her either because it’s too awful.

PLEASE get some help.

WellThisIsShit · 20/07/2018 09:15

Ok here’s my second post...

Sooo, I have complex ptsd from various (horrific) things in the past, so can empathise with you lots. Not exactly the same stuff, but bad stuff nonetheless.

I started to do some trauma based CBT and other types of therapy earlier this year. Annoyingly I had to pause it as life got in the way but I’ll be going back as this is definitely the way forwards. It’s helped loads already, and I thought I was utterly untreatable!

Anyway, the reason I’m telling you this is that one of the most powerful things I’ve found is working on identifying when it’s the ptsd grabbing me. To do that I had to work on clearing it away a bit to find me underneath again, so I can identify what it feels like to be me, without the weight of all that trauma pressing down on me... it was nice to ‘meet me’ again and feel hopeful there is a me without trauma, as tbh, I’d lost me and started to think I WAS the trauma and bad stuff, and it had consumed me entirely. But weirdly it hasn’t, and I was there under the surface, just waiting to be rediscovered.

Anyway, it took a few mental leaps and bounds to get that far, and that’s why I think anyone needs a good therapist to help them get along the journey as it’s so much to do on your own. But, I will zoom along to the practical stuff in case you’re following me :)

After that I found I can sometimes catch the ptsd in whatever form it’s sneaking up to grab my brain, for me usually huge triggering reactions to something in the present, that takes me back into the feelings and pain of the past. And I can say to myself ‘this is not now, this doesn’t belong here. It belongs in the past and I don’t have to feel it right now’ it really works, because it makes it kind of feel smaller and I can kind of snip it away from right now, and not just have it roll over me like an oncoming storm that I can’t push off no matter what I do. I guess the difference is being able to recognise that it’s happening, being able to acknowledge that what happened in the past was bloody awful and it’s ok to have a dark cloud around that, but that darkness doesn’t have a place in the now so you can snip it away and let it float off back into the past where it belongs so you can feel what you should be feeling in the present without having all those hangers on grabbing you by the throat and mixing the past and present together in a really horrible and traumatic way.

I’m supposed to practise ‘being in the present’ for a couple of minutes each day. Sitting down and focusing on an object or a physical feeling like the grass under your feet... and just opening your mind and senses up to it for a minute. I was a bit baffled as to how this had anything to do with last trauma, but my therapist explained that it works in two ways... firstly it anchors you into the present more, and it helps your brain remember what it’s like to have a nice simple and pain free connection without the ptsd barging in! So you can start recognising a healthier state of mind basically... and the second reason is just to give you an emotional break from the miserable awfulness that is dealing with such terrible raw emotions everyday. Basically, giving yourself a break! I rather liked that idea.

Anyway, I don’t know if any of this helps. But I hope there’s something in what I’ve written that might be interesting to you.

It’s worth trying to find the right therapist / counsellor to work with. You’ve actually inspired me to go do my visualisation exercises now.

You’ve had more than anyone should ever had to bear and it’s not surprising that you’re brain needs help to process it and leave it behind. I think you deserve not to be dealing with these awful feelings now. And you definitely deserve to shrug off the abusive people in your childhood and adulthood. And not carry their effects with you. Living well is absolutely the best revenge (!).

Atalune · 20/07/2018 09:17

Think of this as an opportunity to guide him through the trials of a first girlfriend.

Talk about enthusiastic consent and boundaries.

Have the girl over and let them hang out.

Get some control in the situation and you’ll feel so so much better.

Counselling seems very needed for you and I’m so so sorry for the trauma you have suffered. Your ex sounds vile and your mum has messed you up.

You can change how you think. You really can.

Best of luck to you. Flowers

QuizzlyBear · 20/07/2018 09:21

This sounds like a completely normal, age-appropriate relationship. Please don't shame him or act as though he's doing something wrong as this will stay with him during future relationships.

He sounds like a lovely boy, respectful of the girl's boundaries and thoughtful. Instead of acting as though he's a half second away from becoming a violent misogynist, why not be proud of him?

User183737 · 20/07/2018 09:22

Hi im on my phone but i wanted to say a big thank you for the niceness of the posts.
Im out of my depth totally. Im not well off, im bipolar, so my psychology was about psychosis not trauma. Ive been discharged as i dont hear or think unusual things.
Im not sure i can go back to normal nhs therapy. Im going to enquire about some low cost stuff somewhere, would be grateful for any advice.
I was supposed to be discharged today but just rang and said to go ahead and do it as i dont feel up to going in. Theres a whole wealth of shit to deal with and i dont know where to start. I have no support so am doing it blind. I know he will be horrified ive read them, they were sweet. I think i will just say i went to open whatsapp and i saw the new message and was going to give it him but it went blank. I will deny totally having seen the others and just see if she is a friend and if theyd like some money to go into town.
He doesnt want to be with the rest of us now. I took them to italy last month and all he did was moan about wanting to come home.

OP posts:
jainaproudm · 20/07/2018 09:22

Echoing what the other posters have said.

You said you're shocked and a little disgusted at the idea of your son - your thirteen year old - having the opportunity to hurt someone.

And that wanting to have sex or a romantic connection is somehow wrong to you. I think you know that these things stem from the awful things that have happened to you (and I am so sorry for those - nobody deserves to have their lives changes irrevocably by someone else like that) - but your son deserves the chance to grow and mature normally, and this is a big part of it.

The idea that you shouldn't encourage their education because he will one day day 'go off and leave anyway' sounds like your mother's words stuck in your head, a kind of echo of what she obviously imprinted on you. For both yours, and your son's sake, please go and get some help in gently undoing what has been done to your thought processes - you have obviously raised a good boy so far, and you will be doing him a great disservice to let your past define another person's life. Good luck

WellThisIsShit · 20/07/2018 09:22

CBT is very different from trauma based CBT (often called tCBT). It’s mainly done by fully trained psychologists not just counsellors, who can be very skilled but can also be untrained and generalist to the point of unable to deal /identify anything beyond the basic.

You may have been fine then, but as things change and as life throws up different challenges, like our children growing from little boys into men, it triggers different emotions and experiences.

This thread feels like it’s written by someone who’s now got a huge amount of sorting out to do between what is their personal trauma being triggered, and what the situation really needs.

jainaproudm · 20/07/2018 09:23

p.s. Whining about wanting to come home on a family holiday is, unfortunately, normal teenage stuff (the ungrateful little buggers) - don't worry! :-)

KwatahPanda · 20/07/2018 09:24

What a shitty thread, the OP was asking for help as she admits she's been abused her whole life and needs help understanding normal.

When did MN start drowning in arseholes.

beeefcake · 20/07/2018 09:26

Carry on like this and you are well on your way to losing a relationship with him in later life

It's a bit of puppy love, let it be

User183737 · 20/07/2018 09:27

I dont think people have been arseholes here, the message i need help is unanimous so will look into that.

OP posts:
jainaproudm · 20/07/2018 09:28

@beeefcake what an unhelpful comment. OP has clearly said that she knows her attitudes to this are skewed because of her experiences. She's asking for help in how to handle it, not judgement from arseholes.

NotAsGreenAsCabbageLooking · 20/07/2018 09:28

@KwatahPanda

I think you’re seeing a different thread to me... 🤔

OP, thirteen year olds are generally ungrateful/attitudey with their parents... I think that’s just par for the course, whether they’ve got romantic interests or not. Definitely don’t take that personally.

ARoomSomewhere · 20/07/2018 09:32

Ah OP I GET YOU!

My ds is 13. As is his Girlfriend. They both look 18....Eeek!

Last year we'd moved schools. She came up to me at the school fair; Said: 'are you RS Ds Mum?, well, I'M his Girlfriend'. Wow! I felt wobbly.

I also came from an abusive background. Plus ds is ASD.
I was panicked.

BUT - she is the nicest lass. I am so glad he's found someone so sweet for his 'first love'.

He is welcome in her house as long as adults there. Ditto mine. No closed bedroom doors etc. They trampoline. Walk to park / chippy.
We are rural so its easier i must say.

I am quite sensitive about it. I know some of that is okay and some is my experiences intruding. But i have to let him grow up or he'll resent me.

I have had a number of chats about appropriate behaviour with him (and her!). Bottom line is i'd rather they were here and i could keep an eye. Invite her round.x

SharpLily · 20/07/2018 09:33

Im not sure i trust any man not to hurt any woman or child.

This is a real problem and quite clearly the CBT hasn't fixed it. I'm sure that logically you know what I'm about to say is true, but not all men are violent, or rapists or abusers. You have been particularly unfortunate in your experiences and while there are definitely some awful people out there (women too, not just men), there are also some lovely, wonderful ones too. You can make your son one of these - it sounds like you already are. I almost wish I could lend you my husband so you can see how kind and generous and caring some men can be!

I completely understand your reluctance to enter relationships but you need to understand that your experience is the exception rather than the rule, and you should hope your son can find what you didn't, a genuinely loving relationship. It's not all about needing to be with someone because you can't be alone or all about sex. There's so much more to it and you need to make sure he knows that so that he can make the right choices for the right reasons. I don't see how you can do this without accessing help of some kind.

Oh and it's pretty normal for teenage boys not to want to hang out with the rest of their family! They're far too cool for all that :D. He'll learn in time but you're probably going to have a few years of teenage sulks and hormonal turmoil to deal with. Again, you just need to accept that this is normal and look forward to it passing.

SaucyJack · 20/07/2018 09:36

It'a great that you're taking comments on board OP. You sound like you have self-awareness, and that you want to do much better as a parent than your own Mum did by you. Keep engaging and reflecting. Think of yourself as a work in progress.

And remember he's just the same kid he was last week. He's still your baby boy. Sitting in the park with a girl isn't going to turn him into a rapist, or a tramp. Keep challenging those thoughts.

RallyAnnie · 20/07/2018 09:37

The best case scenario for him is that he forms adult consensual relationships well as an adult and develops a long term committed relationship based on love and trust.

The best case for you is that you and his partner have a warm and open relationship that acknowledges their autonomy and that you can be genuinely happy for them both.

Brutally, I think you need help to get to that point. Not necessarily more help processing what you've been through but specifically targeted at helping you help your son become the best man he can be. There is nothing to fear in asking for that help, it's a positive step.

In the meantime he's a teenager, a seething mass of acne, hormones, social conditioning and so on. He will bounce towards you and bounce away. This will go on for years. Please help him navigate this for him, rather than through the lens of the horrible things you've experienced.

I can understand that seems insurmountable right now, but it's definitely worth you giving it your best shot.

eyycarumba · 20/07/2018 09:37

You going through your son's phone when there was no good reason is a HUGE invasion of his privacy and he would be mortified! This happened to me as a teen and I cannot tell you how damaging and embarrassing that is, it's appalling.
If you don't want him to hang around the streets that's fine, but you can't stop him going to school to see a girl - a very normal, NOT inappropriate thing for a young teen to want to do. Just be glad he's being polite and respectful.
You having an abusive past does not give you the right to treat your son this way, you will only push him away.
He's 13, he's not going to want to tell you about his crushes. Once he has a proper girlfriend you will know about it - unless he doesn't tell you things like that because, going by this post, you are so suffocating and he's scared of your reaction.

HemanOrSheRa · 20/07/2018 09:39

He doesnt want to be with the rest of us now. I took them to italy last month and all he did was moan about wanting to come home. Oh that's perfectly normal for a teen. Really. Ungrateful buggers they are Smile.

hibeat · 20/07/2018 09:40

It's his first budding love. Let him watch Korean drama movies, quite a few have good role models. they usually stop to the kiss and nothing else. And that's what would be appropriate for their age. He can go early at school but not late. They can never be left alone unsupervised, end of. They could emulate each other with their studies, and their hobbies. Get to know the girl, chaperonne them. He is learning to be a man, so you have to accompany him to become a sweet man. He is very young you don't want him scarred by this experience, you never know, this might be the real thing I am always cautious about those things because I have friends who were always together from primary and then married (They are both doctors, so no it does not make them dumb). Your son wants privacy, it's sudden but well it's expected. He has to know his boundaries, and he will grow. Cuddos to you Mum. Some adults never fell in love. You raised him well. Give them stuff to do together while you are around and be positive. They can be together but always in public. Physical boundaries to protect him and her. No sex. They're still kids, you don't want either of them damaged or broken if they brake up. You don't want the police at your door.That's all. all the previous messages say it : Trust with boundaries.

eyycarumba · 20/07/2018 09:43

and I don't mean for that to be harsh - I also come from an abusive childhood/relationships, but I would hate to project that onto my son and not give him the freedom and privacy I was not allowed and resented not having.
I was a well behaved teen, not allowed to play out, no boys, didn't drink or smoke, did well in school etc... yet my phone was sneakily checked all the time, even my room raided when I was at school to try and find a diary or notes (yes a diary was found, and yes it was read) this wasn't through any concern, it was through paranoia, nosiness and disrespect. I'm nearly 30 and it still makes my blood boil and humiliates me thinking about it.

Bobbybear10 · 20/07/2018 09:46

OP some therapists will charge a less amount per session for clients that are on low pay/benefits etc. Could you find a couple me of therapists you like the sound of and see if they offer any concessions?

Bobbybear10 · 20/07/2018 09:46
  • sorry don’t know why it added a ‘me’ in my post
LemonysSnicket · 20/07/2018 09:51

He sounds very respectful and they sound like a healthy cute romance.
Let him explore his own romantic interest - he's old enough, especially if they haven't even kissed.

sulkytitch · 20/07/2018 09:51

May I ask, does your son know about your ex? Is it his Dad? I just wondered if he too needs some help navigating relationships? Maybe he’s scared as well?

I think you are an amazing brave women for baring your soul and asking for advice. You obviously love your children and want to help them succeed.

We all have hangups from our own experiences but learning what to and not to pass on to our children can be difficult

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