To think that anyone who still believes in a positive Brexit scenario is nuts?

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I feel v anxious about where our shit shower of a government is leading us. I live in a city which is very pro-Remain (although my dad isn't) but I find it very hard to believe that most Brexiters aren't concerned about how negotiations are going.

Or is this just me, in my bubble?

"The stories about what COULD happen don’t bother us."

Alright.

So if it turns out that the remainers were in fact right and everything does turn to shit and things don't actually get better after an undefined a short period of chaos turmoil, will you still not be bothered?

And if you are bothered, who will you blame?

I’ve lived through recessions, they are part of life. I’d bet my life that if we have a hard Brexit we will have one in the next 15 years and if we stayed in the EU we’d have one in the next 15 years.

Food not getting through the ports - very unlikely, a bit hysterical but if that were to happen for a bit I’d say that instead of eating about 10 times the amount we need to actually survive I’d have to actually eat what it took to survive instead - which is actually very little. Not bothered at all. If it suddenly became very expensive I guess I’d get a short sharp lesson about what’s important in life.
I don’t work for a company that would go abroad I work for a care home. There’s loads of work in those for all you investment bankers that may lose your jobs. You can definitely afford to feed yourself when you work in them. In fact, if food rose to 3 x the price I can assure you my family wouldn’t starve. But I’d definitely be thinner 👍🏻

You don’t understand the roller coaster of life if you think things would never get better. Only a total pessimist would speak in such a way. Life is ups and downs. I wouldn’t blame anyone. I’d just get up each day and live.

Wow this is sounding better and better! Who cares about food shortages, we'll all be lovely and thin!

To think that anyone who still believes in a positive Brexit scenario is nuts

Yanbu

But people won’t thank you for pointing it out. Don’t expect anyone to actually try and defend Brexit. They will just point you towards the Brexit boards.

Vote leave lied and lied. The two people who looked least happy about the win was Boris and Gove.

I know leavers had good reasons for voting leave but no one voted for this shit show. We were all told this would be the easiest deal in history.

Remainers just expect the time they are on this planet to just get rosier and rosier. Always going forward, with living conditions in constant acceleration. So unrealistic. History tells you that this is not how the economy or life works.

@Fenwickdream, why would you want to hand extremely wealthy elitist men like Mogg even more power? They care nothing for ordinary workers, nothing. Come back and do tell us how you feel when you can't feed your family properly. Will you tell your child sorry no milk today darling but I have this wonderful synthetic glow-in-the-dark fizzy drink full of beautiful E numbers? No butter but we have palm oil! Hmm beautiful palm oil!

Oh wow, have we reached peak stupid yet? I do hope so.

"I'd definitely be thinner"... Jesus wept.

Most of us have lived through recessions. There's a difference between coping with challenging economic conditions and coming out the other side, and actively creating them.

All the austerity we have been living with for the last decade has been an attempt by the Tories to "fix" the economy after the "damage done by the last Labour government" (otherwise known as the global economic crisis).

Every public sector worker who has not had a pay rise in the last ten years is in that position because of austerity, and the need to tighten our belts in order to fix the economy.

Brexit means that all those sacrifices were for nothing. Why bother trying to fix the economy and reduce the deficit if you're just going to leave the EU for no good reason and plunge the country into economic chaos anyway?

I'm Remain voter. Forgive me for wanting things to get slightly less shit than they were before - grew up in the 70s so I know what shit looks like. I'm also a prepper so I can manage pretty well for at least a short while if things go into reverse.

Well yes we would be thinner. Myself and half the Country sit around being fat and lazy like we are owed everything. I have a right to say it wouldn’t do us any harm at all to go back a few decades to when food was something you worked hard for and didn’t shovel down your throat mindlessly. We eat far too much anyway and it’s makung us ill. We could and should all cut our food consumption in half.

How old are you @Fenwickdream ?
Yes people eat too much these days but that is their business not yours.

Remainers just expect the time they are on this planet to just get rosier and rosier. Always going forward, with living conditions in constant acceleration. So unrealistic. History tells you that this is not how the economy or life works.

There is absolutely no need to deliberately seek to make things worse unnecessarily.
It's wanton destruction and vandalism.

Palm oil isn't produced in the Uk. Butter is a dairy product, we have dairy farms In the uk so logically butter will be easier to come by than palm oil.
We were self sufficient for dairy, we could be again. British farmers have suffered by subsidised French dairy farmers who undercut British farmers sending small uk farms out of buisness.

Remainers just expect the time they are on this planet to just get rosier and rosier. Always going forward, with living conditions in constant acceleration. So unrealistic. History tells you that this is not how the economy or life works.

Nope. Remainer here and that's not how I think.

Myself and half the Country sit around being fat and lazy like we are owed everything.

Speak for yourself.

We eat far too much anyway and it’s makung us ill. We could and should all cut our food consumption in half.

Feel free to go on a diet then. If you need Brexit-caused rationing to make you cut down on the cakes then perhaps you should see your GP about getting counselling for your eating disorder.

Excuse me speak for yourself. I don't shovel shit food into my mouth all day.

I'm healthy because I eat a good range of quality non-processed food. I'd like to be able to continue to do so.
I would also prefer our good standards not to go in the bin. Can't say I've got much taste for chlorine chicken.

And also @Fenwickdream , as any Prepper will tell you, being overweight will not give you a "resource " to draw on if things get tougher. You'll be less able to handle it. Why you are wishing food shortages on people who are not you, god only knows.

I’ve just told you that I will be able to feed my family. I currently work 60 hrs a week and I’m a single Mum. I have a mortgage and all the extra crap such as TVs, cars, broadband, mobile etc. I currently spend about 4/5 times the amount on food/ eating than I need to with eating out, eating too much etc. I could eat meat and 3 veg every night from Lidl for a quarter of what I spend now so food would have to rise 4 fold for me to not be able to feed us.

It's naive to assume we'll be living off British produce!! I only buy British whenever I can but we will be FLOODED with cheap crappy imports. THAT will finish off our farmers, and their genuinely lovely food. British butter, dream on... whatever will be left will be unaffordable for most (except Mogg, Johnson and the like)

I’ve just told you that I will be able to feed my family. I currently work 60 hrs a week and I’m a single Mum. I have a mortgage and all the extra crap such as TVs, cars, broadband, mobile etc. I currently spend about 4/5 times the amount on food/ eating than I need to with eating out, eating too much etc. I could eat meat and 3 veg every night from Lidl for a quarter of what I spend now so food would have to rise 4 fold for me to not be able to feed us.

Good for you.

And this is relevant to the discussion because...?

@Fenwickdream - that's if the food is there in the shops.

Well it is my business when people are getting hysterical that food would be more expensive and anyone would only need to poke their head out of their front door to see that’s not really something that would do this Country too much harm.

@Fenwickdream - if you need to stop spending so much money on food, why do you need Brexit to do it? Can't you just start now?