Remainer 'moral superiority'

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I voted Remain but I dithered and I can see both sides of the argument. (Am I the only one?! Everyone else seems to be so polarised.)

What gets me, especially when I've read discussions on here, is all the very vociferous Remainers who talk as though they have a claim to the moral high ground.

I find the accusation that Brexiteers are 'racist' particularly weird. Europe is mostly white like us. How does race play a card? If anything, letting our borders open to all and every European (majority white) means necessarily less room for other people from different countries and therefore different races.

In fact, what is the EU? A band of rich, predominantly white countries banding together to be more powerful. Fine, this might be best for our trade and prosperity. It might be pragmatic. We might like feeling we could go and live in Spain one day. But that's not the same as being morally 'better'.

But a lot of Remainers behave as though they are inherently 'virtuous' and Brexit is inherently 'evil.'

I don't get it.

Sir James Goldsmith campaigned for a Referendum on EU membership.

A small point (??) in the grand scheme of things. SoloD you said The CAA does not have the staff or resources to certify aircraft and aerospace parts after Brexit. Thus Rolls Royce is already shifting jobs and work from British workers in the UK to Germany, so they can certify their Engines in Germany by EASA. Many other firms will have to do the same thing. In pharmaceuticals, chemicals, dozens of industries

Fair enough about the CAA, I don't know much about that organisation, but with the pharmaceutical industry etc. for example, what staff/ resources don't we have that mainland Europe does? We're producing/ already have plenty of people who are working in industrial roles as qualified persons, formulation scientists, chemists etc. We also have manufacturing plants over here (this is not me saying it's enough to supply for the UK, I'm not sure!)

Another point that frequently comes up is about young people not having the same opportunities to study abroad (abroad meaning Europe). I genuinely don't know if I'm missing something, but what would be so bad about having to get a student visa (which you need to study in Asia, USA etc.), or studying elsewhere? I know there is the ERASMUS programme, but I chose to do my semester abroad in Malaysia as it was still cheaper than doing it in Europe even with the Erasmus grant.

In the pharma sector ther egulatory body which EU wide was based in London is moving to Amsterdam with a lot of personal implications for its staff and family members. I think the UK is hoping that we can get some agreement with EU27 about if medicines are approved in the UK they can still be sold in EU27 and vice versa and there is certainly a lot of desire in the industry to achieve which is not to say though that the political people in the EU and UK will not scupper that. If you are making medicines you probably want the simplicity of one approval for EU 28 and soon 27 so might not want to make in the Uk for the UK market meeting UK specific requirements. I am sure we will cope but it is not easy or desirable. There are staff shortages in specialists areas in that and many other sectors and a lot of people are hired from the EU (and as you say elsewhere too).

I am not too worried about visas and studying in EU27 and most UK students don't study abroad anyway but that will certainly had an effect and already people will not be choosing to go to places they may not be allowed to stay. Mmy doctor sibling did their bit abroad in Australia so I agree that people don't always just go to the EU.

There are just so many issues and sectors that it is very complicated. We will just have to get through it as best we can.

Xenia, thank you for your informative reply. Do you know the name of the regulatory body for my own research . I agree with not making drugs purely for the UK market. Hopefully we'll stick to GMP and everything else to make trade easier.

It is all so complicated, I hope we can come up with workable solutions.

Yes - th European Medicines Agency - see www.ema.europa.eu/docs/en_GB/document_library/Other/2018/03/WC500244941.pdf and www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/news_and_events/news/2018/03/news_detail_002916.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac058004d5c1

The one aspect that will comfort those who chose to vote for brexit I hope is that we lawyers will probably do fairly well out of it! I am sure that will help the Brexiteers sleep easier in their beds.