Remainer 'moral superiority'

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I voted Remain but I dithered and I can see both sides of the argument. (Am I the only one?! Everyone else seems to be so polarised.)

What gets me, especially when I've read discussions on here, is all the very vociferous Remainers who talk as though they have a claim to the moral high ground.

I find the accusation that Brexiteers are 'racist' particularly weird. Europe is mostly white like us. How does race play a card? If anything, letting our borders open to all and every European (majority white) means necessarily less room for other people from different countries and therefore different races.

In fact, what is the EU? A band of rich, predominantly white countries banding together to be more powerful. Fine, this might be best for our trade and prosperity. It might be pragmatic. We might like feeling we could go and live in Spain one day. But that's not the same as being morally 'better'.

But a lot of Remainers behave as though they are inherently 'virtuous' and Brexit is inherently 'evil.'

I don't get it.

Cantankerous, it's not a football match to crow over about the result, it's everyone's future. You are mistaking 'bad sportsmanship' with genuine concern and it really trivialises the issue. It feels like one step away from 'you lost, get over it'.

Actually we should have supported our farmers to keep producing, then we wouldn’t be in this mess

We tried that with the intervention board, butter/wheat/milk over supply.

As i said its a world market, prices dependant on how much supply there is, you dont seem to understand this and nothing to do with the Eu.

Sigh.

"We should have [...]" is very well, as is "In future we can [...]"

[...] being things like (e.g.) listening to the disaffected, supporting farmers, discouraging fishermen from selling their own fishing rights, training doctors instead of having a deliberate UK govt policy of over-restricting the numbers, actually enforcing the limits of FOM, make more cows to produce more milk, sign the bigliest trade deals with Timor Leste, .

But! We are where we are. NOW.

To actually, practically, get us from past to future, what real measures do we have that don't involve either a bloody TARDIS or the equivalent of shouting "Wingardium leviosa!"?

Every leaver I have ever met voted because of immigration.

My own mother (70 at the time) voted leave because of immigration alone and 'I don't like the EU telling us what to do'.

Then 6 months later she moved abroad to another EU country where I live and became an immigrant herself. The irony and double standards are lost on her.

We will soon be considered 3rd country nationals as our EU citizenship will end.

To keep this, my husband applied for and received his Irish passport and I am in the middle of an application for citizenship here that will cost me over 1000EUR and probably take 2 years.

I think we use the time we have to get as much manufacturing and farming schemes going as possible . So by next March we need to have something we can export that people will want and want to trade.

We need to be able to make most of our own food.

We need to have our niche and something that makes a hard Brexit as impossible for everyone else as it is for us.

Then we need to make sure that politics stops ignoring the working classes

Camel, I'm not sure you're living on the same planet as the rest of us.

Cantankerous, I totally agree with your sentiments. I just fear that we are being conned by some ultra Brexiteers who have only ever been eyeing an opportunity to make themselves richer at the expense of remain voters and leavers alike. I do desperately want to be proven wrong. Sitting here crowing after everything has gone wrong would be a phyrric victory.

"Wingardium leviosa!"

Trade deals take a long time to negotiate in order that both sides benefit. There is no way we can negotiate a quick deal without compromising our protections. One of the deals that Fox is purported to be working on, even America was concerned and pulled out. Noone voted to make themselves poorer but the ultra Brexiteers are only concerned with deregulation and liberalisation from quality control.

I think we use the time we have to get as much manufacturing and farming schemes going as possible . So by next March we need to have something we can export that people will want and want to trade.

Come on, this is laughable. Our climate dictates what we can grow and export, that is not to say to repurpose fields is not done in a matter of months, plus winter etc etc.

Farming more for self reliance is one thing, farming for export is already pretty much utilised as it is.

@Isitsixoclockalready
I just fear that we are being conned by some ultra Brexiteers who have only ever been eyeing an opportunity to make themselves richer at the expense of remain voters and leavers alike.

Reverse that statement before the referendum and that was what many leavers were also saying.

I think we use the time we have to get as much manufacturing and farming schemes going as possible . So by next March we need to have something we can export that people will want and want to trade.

By next March!!!

I think we use the time we have to get as much manufacturing and farming schemes going as possible . So by next March we need to have something we can export that people will want and want to trade.

We need to be able to make most of our own food.

Jesus wept.

By next March!!!

That's where the TARDIS comes in.

What do you suggest instead?

We just grind to a halt because WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE?

seriously what’s your plan?

I am optimistic until I absolutely can’t be anymore.

For my own family this means constantly changing and improving myself and my enivornment.

I suggest rather than whining about a vote that was already made, we instead focus on what we CAN do

And so it has come to pass that a Brexiteers have asked the Remainers what is your plan.

because Brexiteers have none of their own is the obvious answer

I think we use the time we have to get as much manufacturing and farming schemes going as possible . So by next March we need to have something we can export that people will want and want to trade.

OMG Economics theory from Trumpton. No, wait, the Magic Roundabout!

You can make do and mend Camel

Why the friffing heck would Remainers have a plan?

Remainers have a plan, it is a second referendum on the deal, so we can choose to be sensible and remain after all.

To actually, practically, get us from past to future, what real measures do we have that don't involve either a bloody TARDIS or the equivalent of shouting "Wingardium leviosa!"?

We can't because even if we backtrack on this we will not go back to pre 2016 levels as even the most educated remainers know there was increasing pressure on our opt outs and rebates etc etc.

The UK being a small fish in a big pond will suddenly switch tack, and to deny that would be unironically promising a different kind of unicorns and rainbows that the leave supporters were promised.