...to think it's rude of teachers at end of term declaring that they've earned their holiday/deserve a large glass of wine etc.....?

[Semisonic]

Does it not imply that they think everyone's kids are little horrors and that it's such a hard job and we're not worthy?
Maybe all the kids are little horrors, maybe it is a hard job but they're getting paid for it. It was their choice! My job's hard too but I won't bang on about It.
I think it's quite insulting to the parents of the children. No? [hmmm]

I think it’s rude. You choose the job, so do the job and don’t moan about it.

Really?

So when the parents collected the kids I'd been looking after all weekend yesterday & I said to them "I'm looking forward to getting my feet up & having a beer" I was in fact being unspeakably rude??

Who'd have thunk it....

Or maybe, just maybe, in real life people take it in the spirit in which it's meant.......

Do people in other jobs not say this? Im sure whatever job you are in, everyone looks forward to relaxibg regardless.

YABU - I work in a School, not currently as teaching staff but as support staff. I used to be a customer service advisor, which was hard going, but I honestly have utmost respect for these teachers. Same goes for my DS's teachers. Even I need a drink on a weekend and I was teetotal until I retrained as teaching support staff! Jeez

Roll on 3 weeks!

Yeah I agree with you, I think it’s rude. You choose the job, so do the job and don’t moan about it.

What utter bollocks. Most people choose their jobs. Does that really honestly mean that nobody is allowed to complain about their job or say "Phew - thank god it's the weekend or the holidays!"? Or is it just teachers who aren't allowed to say that, because it's 'rude'?

No lol. Teaching is a stressful job, just like many jobs. As well as the actual teaching, there’s all the behind the scenes, night time planning, meetings, target setting, pressure to meet targets but knowing you can’t completelt control what kids achieve ... or is stressful. Also the not being able to pick holidays whenever you want is quite stressful in a way, although all the holidays are great. When it finally comes round to a few weeks off, it’s seffontelt time for wine. Also half the summer is spent planning lessons for the September term just to try and get on top, so it’s only a break from teaching, not the full job!

I’m not sure teachers are paid enough to think that all children are ‘little horrors’ and still put up with the workload- I’m sure (as anyone in any job would probably be) they’re looking forward to a well-deserved break.

No, I think they should be able to get excited. Yes they get a lot of holidays but I am SO grateful every day to drop my kids at school, know that they are being looked after and taught so well whilst I have my career/get things done/ keep my sanity.
Cheers to the teachers!

What an obvious attempt to cause a ruck, OP. 🙄

They do deserve the wine and holiday!! (not that they have the whole 6 weeks - alot of it is work)

I help out 1 day a week in reception for the last year. They are a really good class but the noise is hugely stressful for a start and that's just 30 children nicely chatting about what they are doing.

Yes it is their job, yes they chose it, but 30 kids to raise for 8 hrs a day, do maths, read, pe, first aid, clean up accidents, keep entertained, re-enforce manners and good behaviour, get the fussy kids to eat at least something, to stop the mean ones being mean (and even at 5 some are really not nice!) not to mention trying to teach on different levels for different abilities .... For 30 children... I couldn't do that for 30 kids every day.

Our class is really well behaved so i cant imagine how it is for schools with hard to manage kids, a billion times worse i should imagine.

Lots of kids are starting school now with no real home life, some dont speak English at all, some have clearly not been parented at all and some are switched off from the stress of being pushed from full time care to before and after school care - some kids are doing 12+ hr days at 5, that's not ok! They will be burnt out before they even get to adulthood.

Dont even get me started on a baking hot afternoon, steaming, sweaty room with 30 kids letting rip with post lunch gas... 🤢

They never for a second make me think they dont like the kids, quite the opposite - they really do get very attached to them, but it is very draining, far more so than an office type job. I love the staff at our school, they are like a giant family and i hope they have lots of rest, wine and chocolate because they bloody deserve it and they need to be refreshed for the new intake in September.

It's the most thankless, exhausting job in the world I imagine! I wouldn't be a teacher for £100k per year.

My sister teaches primary age. She seems to work twelve hours a day and then a large part of the weekend. Not to mention all the parents evenings and extra-curricular stuff she has to attend. I worry about her health so I’m glad she has holidays. I think without the long summer holiday, this job might actually kill her.
I AM A BIT CONFUSED THOUGH – as to how you make the leap from thinking a teacher saying they have a hard job implies that you are ‘not worthy’. Or that the children are ‘horrors’. It’s not the same thing at all.

Perhaps you should stop putting your energy into taking things personally and use it to volunteer in a school. I am sure all the red tape you have to get through, even to get to that position, will give you an insight into what teachers have to put up with these days.

Remember they work crazy hours during term time.

The class teaching is the easy bit.

All the preparation and planning amounts to about two-three hours for every hour of class, then there is paperwork, homework, then pastoral care, sometimes for fellow teachers as well as the children!

I think the problem is few people outside the profession realise how much there is to being a teacher.

Nope

After weeks of teaching 30 odd kids I think they deserve a vat of wine and a full 6 weeks on a beach somewhere.

My goodness, I am sat here in the staff room absolutely SHATTERED right now, after an hour with my tutor group making banners/flags/chants/dance routines ready for sports day... I can't wait for my holiday!

BUT, that doesn't mean I think the kids are horrors I love spending dedicated time with just my tutor group, and we have just had the best laughs over the last hour. Doesn't mean it didn't tire me out, though, or make me wish I didn't have to trudge through Year 7 this afternoon.

Clearly a wind up, no sane person would even think like this, surely.

Just a remark, don't analyse and take it too seriously.
I have teacher friends who say similar but they don't mean anything much by it.

When I am going on leave, I feel the same. Time to relax! Not quite the same for teachers who have to do much preparation during school holidays in order to be ready for next term.

Oh god...

Right, Semisonic, so you are posting from an obvious place of ignorance...

Let me enlighten you.

You work "hard". You dont work "Teacher Hard".

Typical work day for my wife:

Up at 6:30 to get to school by 7:45

Teach all day, with daily observations ("So, how shit are you at your job today?)

"Learning Walks" (Ditto)

Book marking reviews ("This marking isn't in the correct coloured pen. If you gave verbal feedback, you need to record that you did in the book. And what the feedback was" FYI the marking guide is 4 A4 pages long.)

Then, if youre lucky, meetings until 5:30-6.

Then, come home, throw some dinner together and maybe take half an hour to walk the dogs.

Then do marking, planning, report writing, dealing with the shit ideas that the headteacher found on the bog paper that morning and thought would be a good idea to spread around by email at ten o'clock.

I then shout at her to get of the computer and go to bed. She just has.

Its 11:30.

In the past 4 years, this job has destroyed my wifes health.

She has developed T2 diabetes, has been in hospital with pneumonia caused by stress and tiredness (and funnily enough we bumped into another teacher from same school who was also hospitalised).

I work "hard", with long shifts and on call etc. But I couldnt do her job for a week. I also get paid significantly more than she does.

Im sure your child goes to a "Nice" school, with "Nice" children that don't throw chairs at the teachers, spit at them and tell them to "go f yourself you c". These are year 4 kids BTW. And 15 in a class is unheard of in most schools.

For anyone that criticises teachers, doctors, nurses, unless youv'e done the job yourself within the past few years, just stop your mouth moving as soon as you start talking about their pay and working conditions.

You simply have no effing idea.

Which is why, as soon as we can possibly afford it, the teaching profession is going to loose yet another brilliant teacher and there will be no one to replace her. I refuse to let my wife kill herself for a job that people seem to think is a piece of piss with lovely holidays. Add on to that fuckwit parents who throw complaints and accusations around at the drop of a hat... no. Just no.

And, BTW, they dont get paid for their holidays. A teacher is paid for the hours they teach, it just happens to be divided into 12 payments so they don't fucking starve over the summer..

End of rant. IMHO, teachers are saints.

Round of applause for Mrs Rojaws and all the other teacherson this thread and around the world. I'd rather do ANYTHING than be a teacher

I’m starting to think this thread was started by a canny teacher to elicit these responses - I’ve never heard as many nice, understanding and supportive comments all in one place, from those who are related to or know or whose children are taught by teachers. After a difficult term, it’s done me good to see that many people appreciate the massive specific challenges of the job, just as I appreciate the challenges of the jobs done by nurses, social workers and basically 99% of jobs out there.

Speaking as someone who teaches, albeit no longer full time, teachers certainly do deserve their wine and holiday. It's a job where your mind never switches off because there is always someone who wants a piece of you and something that needs to be done. Planning, marking 30books for 3-4 subjects per day, creating resources, writing reports for parents/child protection/colleagues, parents wanting advice on how to raise their own children, senior management telling you how to teach and reminding you of "drop ins' this week, ofsted + la reviews, children squabbling or physically attacking you, children falling over in the playground, dealing with parents who tell you or make you feel you're not doing enough or worse verbally abuse you, organising trips, using your own time to do the trip assessment..... that is all just for starters. Oh and let's not forget having to take your holiday at a specific time and paying over the odds on a really quite basic salary. No overtime for the weekend work you do either. Everything is a choice but let's not forget they have bills to pay and not all have the luxury of just walking away from their job. So, yes teachers deserve their wine and I hope that you'll be buying your child's teacher a bottle of champagne.

Op, are you following your children’s teachers on social
Media? If so, stop.

Also, every single person i know celebrates the start of their holoday. You only notice it with teachers because it is at the same time.

I always wondered how weird it would seem if the same amount of people complained about say accountants with the same frequency as they do teachers.

Rojaws
Wonderful post. Your wife is very lucky to have you.

I'm leaving teaching this term... Hurrah! Couldn't be happier. I'm retraong to be a sonographer.
In my experience some of the kids ARE horrible. Sorry to all the doting parents. We are to soft on the and they have all the power...and they know it. Most of my GCSE students who I taught for a year walzed off without so much as a thank you..and one class of 18 year olds spent the year being vile to me. There are some gems though.

Too soft on them even.