...to think it's rude of teachers at end of term declaring that they've earned their holiday/deserve a large glass of wine etc.....?

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Does it not imply that they think everyone's kids are little horrors and that it's such a hard job and we're not worthy?
Maybe all the kids are little horrors, maybe it is a hard job but they're getting paid for it. It was their choice! My job's hard too but I won't bang on about It.
I think it's quite insulting to the parents of the children. No? [hmmm]

As a mummy of 3 and a full time teacher In a reception unit of 60 children I can genuinely tell you that I do not think any of them were vile or horrid. In fact, I feel love towards every single one, even the challenging ones. I try my hardest to treat them all as if they were my own child, which can be very emotionally draining! I educate them, I care for their emotional wellbeing, I give them first aid, hugs if needed, I teach them how to communicate and make friends, I clean them up after a toileting accident, I hold their nose and calm them during a nose bleed whilst simultaneously comforting a child who is missing his mummy, I help them deal wit things going on at home. . . .things that keep me awake at night with worry. . . All this whilst planning, assessing. Meeting targets, holding meetings, holding more meetings, talking to parents, more meetings, more paperwork, I take work home to complete once my children are asleep, I work every Sunday whilst my children play next to me, I'm going in next Saturday for the summer fair, I'll be in over the summer holidays to make sure the classroom looks spectacular for September, I stay until late for parents meetings, i write personal reports for every single child written from the heart. . . . .and all teachers are the same whether they have a class of 30 or 12. C c and all teachers get constantly targeted by people like the OP. Yes, we chose this job, and we bloody love it (we wouldn't still be doing it if we didn't) but that doesn't mean we can't be tired, stressed or fed up . . .were human. . . And if moaning nad having a glass of wine helps us be back on top of our game for the Monday coming then so be it. So get off your high horse OP and treat the people who give up so many hours of their lives for YOUR children the respect that they deserve. Thank god the parents of my class are far more appreciative than you.

Teacher mummy 33 - you sum it up nicely.

Nope! I happily provide them the wine

Wtf? How can you begrudge someone looking forward to a holiday?!

As a mummy of 3 and a full time teacher In a reception unit of 60 children I can genuinely tell you that I do not think any of them were vile or horrid

I agree about the primary kids I've taught. Secondary though... There are some kids I've taught who have done pretty appalling things. Dh has taught two murderers.

They don't think the kids are horrors. It's just that working full time with children is manic.
Buy them a bottle of plonk they'll be ever so grateful.

@kingkiller That I can believe unfortunately and I'm sorry you've had to deal with that.I'll be honest . . .there certainly have been children who I have thought as vile and horrid throughout my years (I've worked in a primary PRU, had several children end up in jail, been attacked, sworn at etc. . . All in primary). I certainly don't have it in me to teach secondary I hold my hands up to you guys! But in my experience a majority of the children just want to learn. . . They just so,etimes get overshadowed by those who don't.

I always wanted to be a teacher, but ended up in another profession as I had a natural flair for it and decided I would get my degree in that then go into teaching if I still wanted to. I am so grateful I took that path.

I love children, I do not love the red tape, government nonsense and all the other crap teachers have to deal with.

I’d be an alcoholic if I was forced into teaching and it would be NO reflection on the children. (Well, not the ones I’d teach as I’d refuse to teach anywhere that the kids regularly told me to fuck off).

Anyway, I think the OP is a GF.

hmmm.. last year when I was a teacher (have taken the last five months off due to little horrors) I: had a pair of scissors chucked at me, was threatened with death at least 5 times, sworn at, pulled countless all-nighters to mark work/plan work that kids refused to do.. all this from a school rated 'good' by OFSTED. Not the only teacher being treated like this either, and not a bad one. Just someone who expected the same environment in the UK as I had in NZ. So yes, I earned my wine.

I love all the kids I teach.
But if you were leaving for work at 6:45 getting home at 5, then sorting house stuff until 7 and working another 4 hours you’d probably feel like you’d earned your holiday tbh

As the wife of an ex teacher YABU, it’s nothing to do with the children ask any teacher if that was the whole job it would be perfect. But teachers easily work 12 hour days when you factor in planning and marking there job doesn’t stop on the weekend or even through the summer holidays. They have to jump through so many hoops Just to stand up and deliver that lesson. When he was a teacher he would leave at 7am get Home at 7pm then sit till 10/11 marking and planning. So it’s nothing to do with your DC but the school system it’s self!

To the OP who has a child or children in a lovely school with small classes. Your teacher will still be knackered by the end of term. You don’t see what goes on as a parent looking in. Even the most lovely of classes with small numbers who learn well and are easy to teach still will still have an exhausted teacher come holiday times. The endless assessments, paperwork, the pressure from ofsted and government, the worry about what children might have going on at home, then add that to their own life which you have no idea of what’s going on and you’ll have a teacher declaring they’re ready for the holidays. As someone has already said it’s more obvious as it’s that time of year when all teachers go on holiday. But in term time when I’m not allowed to go on holiday and my friends are taking their very cheap Caribbean breaks and going on about how much they deserve their holiday is really just the same. The only difference is there’s less of them as they spread their holidays over the rest of the year. It’s constant on my social media that someone is on their well earned holiday most weeks.

You should be grateful to teachers for the very hard work they do for not very good pay! It's a VOCATION not just a job. You know, people doing their utmost all that sort of thing. Even the training is a two year course stuffed into one- did you know that?
They don't get paid for their commitment and care. You are so wrong.
If they want a nice glass of wine, so they deserve it. I will get the glasses ready.
Honestly, you have no idea how hard it is in education, clearly.

It's obvious that the OP has no concept of what a teacher does, assumes that the whole class is as "perfect" as her ickle angels & has an unrealistic view of the joys of children.

That'll change.......

No offence but...

1. Try teaching primary or secondary for a week or 2 and then comment
2. Teachers are paid yes but not well for the hours and work loads expected... also NO pay rise since for ever ... not even in line with inflation....
3. No teachers thinks children (in general) are little horrors or they wouldn’t be teachers ... most LOVE children but this doesn’t mean that it isn’t hard work or a break isn’t deserved
4. Teachers holiday are often working ones too!!!!

I think they deserve medals never mind wine! I want to scream looking after my own kids half the time never mind other people's!

Yeah I agree with you, I think it’s rude. You choose the job, so do the job and don’t moan about it. They train for enough years to do it, so they know what it in entails. I’ve worked in education, by all means say it to your colleagues, but not the children’s parents. I wouldn’t dream of being so rude.

StillMedusa

Let me tell you about my week... and I'm just a lowly TA..

OMG. I too work with SEN kids, but never had to deal with anything as extreme as you describe. An ordinary school day is busy and loaded with responsibility, so to Stillmedusa and exhausted teachers and TAs up and down the land I say hang on in there, holidays are comin’

I live in Ireland where teachers get longer Summer holidays and aren't nearly as overworked as teachers in the UK. And I still think they deserve their holidays and work bloody hard.

I think teachers in the UK deserve medals.

I do voluntary reading help at my local primary with Year 1 and believe you me the teachers and teaching assistants deserve every glass of wine and accolade. It's obvious you haven't been beyond the playground!

And for those who say they chose to teach songet on with it. Well, teaching has changed. I qualified 20 years ago and many colleagues longer than that. It’s NOT the job we took on. Many newly qualified teacher get out after a year or 2 and the drop out rate on training is huge. I work in a school where there are lots of TAs (sen) and just as extreme or even more so than a previous poster has experienced. Several TAs have taken up training (the in school paid type) as they think they can do just as good a job at teaching as anyone else. Many go on to be fabulous teachers but many are struggling after their first qualified year when they’ve been given their own class and full responsibility. Even in an sen school where class sizes don’t go above about 6/7 children due to many requiring 2:1 support the pressure is huge. Many teachers are also trying to leave but can’t get jobs elsewhere and can’t afford to retrain. In an sen school with over 100 staff you’d be surprised how many TAs are actually qualified teachers who have decided to give up teaching or qualified teachers who haven’t managed to secure a teaching post yet.

I'm not even a teacher but they have our kids all day,keep em safe, teach them and help them grow into better adults so shut up ya moron.

Let me also show you something.
A teacher is contracted and paid (if full time) for 1265 hours per year. Their salary is divided equally by 12 months (unless the schools hasn’t contracted you and you’re paid daily as a supply/zero hour type contract where you are paid per day worked only). This equates to around 6.5 hours per day term time only 5 days a week, for 39 weeks of the year. My actual hours on the HR system are stated as 7 hours per day. This means that technically a teacher could arrive at 8:30 and leave at 3:30 and work to rule. Show me a teacher who does this!! Most arrive before 8 and leave around 5. Most take marking home on evenings and weekends. Most spend holidays preparing planning for the next term or half term. Many spend their own money on additional resources as school budgets are too tight. Teachers pay and conditions state they should get an hour for lunch during the day. This rarely happens. Some teachers choose to work through lunch. Some of us in sen have to work through lunch meaning we are allocated around 35 minutes to eat ourselves. Again, many work whilst doing this.

So a teacher being paid/contracted for working 6.5 hours per day/ 32.5 hours per week who is actually working up to 10 hours days plus weekends evenings and holidays really does have the right to say they’ve earned their holiday. They are not disrespecting any children or parents by doing this. The hours spent with the children are why they do the job. The extra hours are why they feel they need to voice their joy at holiday time.

Haha anyone that teaches my kids need a medal!......including me! And they are lovely kids

Yeah I agree with you, I think it’s rude. You choose the job, so do the job and don’t moan about it. They train for enough years to do it, so they know what it in entails. I’ve worked in education, by all means say it to your colleagues, but not the children’s parents. I wouldn’t dream of being so rude

That would sort of wash if:

1. The OP had ever said who said what to her, if they said it all, instead of posting a thread about "teachers" in general. How very convenient.

1. Only popped up on MN in the last two days. How very convenient.

Goady fucker - the OP, that is.