To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

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I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

A quick look at Labour's 6 tests suggests that no the UK shouldn't leave as the tests show a negative.
A fully costed 'leave' is impossible as the combined issues are so intricate and dependent on each other it would be worse than trying to nail the proverbial jelly.
As an overview though, the UK WILL be worse off for a long time. Guestimates show a loss of around 4 percent IIRC but other factors such as job losses will make it considerably worse.

The problem you ve got is no one believes the forecasters anymore, telling people you wont have X% of a notional GDP over the next xx years wont convince any leave voter.

As i said pages back, until or if, a major employer shuts up shop and moves to continental Europe and states brexit as the reason, then few will change their minds.
Human nature is such that we dont like to admit we got anything wrong, hence the opinion polls show so little movement in favour of Remain

May will ensure we have a so called hard brexit, in order to keep her party in power and in one piece, so as long as JC is still in charge (come the next GE), she ll win by a landslide too.

Lillian perhaps protagonists was the wrong word , Cameron did indeed call the referendum , but he didn't support or advocate for Leave. I meant that those who were most vocal in the support of Leave during the campaign did so from a position of opinion and not power. Hope that makes sense , you still don't have to agree with me though

I still don't believe it is going to happen, I know I keep saying it and you have all probably reached the stage where you would be groaning and chucking stuff at me if you were in the same room, but I honestly do not think Brexit is on the cards , not next year or the year after and or so on.

Well, it certainly seems to be heading for the UK throwing themselves off the cliff of a hard Brexit, or just fudging the whole thing and not leaving at all. Time's running out either way.

Just bought a load of BBQ charcoal in a prep type way

That's the idea @frumpety . Make the best of what you've got and what you know.

@frumpety Hope an pray you are correct but i think its a forgone conclusion... just a matter of how we deal with NI and the back stop option.

I would like to apologise in advance for the upcoming worst Summer in living memory , always happens if I make any type of fair weather orientated purchase, so sorry , may be time to stockpile kagouls

Buy extra sun cream and it will definitely rain all July/August!!

Read some of the 'rules' as set by the EU (many of which we helped write to make it difficult to get out).
Consider how so many things will HAVE to change. Many of the issues are pretty black and white. Foreign owned businesses (of which there are many) are likely to see the UK as a lost cause and move out.
Other countries will not want to invest into the UK on 'advantageous' terms (to the UK) they will have strings attached.
We are at the styage where the government can promise what it likes but underlying this is the fact that they can't deliver, the rest of the world is 'finely tuned' and it will be like the 2008 crash all over again except the UK is the main one suffering from it. The EU countries that trade with the UK now will be pissed off as their costs will have gone up as they are forced by us to find new markets themselves.
Airbus for one won't be able to afford making wings in N England/Wales.

And it will be pouring it down

disahsterdahling What EU employment laws are you on about? It seams with zero hour contracts and the gig economy becoming the norm, I don’t see what EU employment laws we are going to miss

The Government won again today, i'd def say your prediction is a little off.

We will see Jas ,we will see. I think May is pushing the extremists in her own party as close to the cliff edge as possible, letting them look into the abyss while holding onto the waistband of their plus fours

The abyss not being the economic fall out of leaving the EU, that doesn't particularly worry the extremists, personal fortunes and all that, which can easily be imaginatively accounted, the abyss is the loss of power and what they see as the natural order of things.

Perhaps but that would mean May being some sort of tactical genius, which is something doubt.
I think she genuinely wants to be the PM that carried out the Will of the People, regardless of the consequences.
As for power, Labour are not going to ditch JC, so unless he does a John Smith, he ll be there at the next GE, an open door win for the Tories.

Hmm , not sure that May is a tactical genius, but there are probably those around her you wouldn't want to mess with !

The problem with JC is, and I will get flamed for this , is his supporters. That's the long and short of it. Call everyone under the sun who isn't Corbyn or doesn't absolutely agree with your viewpoint in its minutiae, a cunt or Tory scum. 96% of the population are relatively nice people, stop bloody alienating them if you want to stand half a chance of seeing any of your policies in practise you misguided muppets.

Anyone else got a Momentum fan on their social media Sorry

I like JC and his policies, i d vote for him! but for the vast majority, he is beyond the pale, a bit like Abbott, fcuks up a stat (when ill) and is flamed, Hammond does the same (well an even large fcuk up) and all is forgiven, hardly reported on

I m guessing May is now surrounded by different genius's than from last year?
Her transformation from mildly pro EU to hard core brexitier is impressive!

I voted leave. I would like a hard Brexit but I think the whole thing is a mess and we won't get what those of us who voted, wanted.
I am leaving the country in a few months time. I'm going to a Scandinavian country which isn't in the EU anyway and I'm settling there....a better life and all that....

So you voted leave, want a hard brexit (for the UK) but are moving to a country which is in Schengen, EFTA/EEA and you ll have a better life... what does that tell you?
thanks by the way.

I voted leave. I would like a hard Brexit but I think the whole thing is a mess and we won't get what those of us who voted, wanted.
I am leaving the country in a few months time. I'm going to a Scandinavian country which isn't in the EU anyway and I'm settling there....a better life and all that....

You don't want to reap the benefits of a hard brexit? I wonder why.

Jeez Worldwide -you are surely up there with ScaryTeacher who has lived the high life in Brussels for years and years and now when approaching retirement is happy to pull up the drawbridge behind her whilst the rest of us can go hang.

Any word yet on the compromise deal that allowed the government to win the vote ?

I am sure Corbyn is a perfectly decent human being, it would be nice to see information on his parties policies and how they will positively effect the population on social media, as opposed to the constant fightey bitey scratchy tirades against the Tories. More the Conservatives do A and Labour would do B type of thing.