To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

[keyboardkate]

I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

DDavis has assured the "rebels" that the Speaker will have the final word on whether MPs will have the final say if the Commons can reject the deal or not.
Parliament is way too spilt to stop May, her scare stories on the negotiations are working well.

Expect to see Bercow ousted very soon then.

Bercow said he would do 9 years. It's been 9 years. Not sure that counts as "ousting " if he goes.
And all MPs vote on who the next speaker is. He/she isn't appointed by the PM.

Burcow leans towards Remain. The Tory hard right will be keen to get him out (I fully expect a ramping up of calls to remove him over the bullying allegations) and replace him with one of their own.

But they can't replace him with one of their own unless he/she gets a majority among all MPs. It's not a government appointment.

Yeah, I know it’s not a government appointment, but get all the Tories onside plus DUP plus the likes of Hoey and Field and it’s a done deal.

As proved with the meaningful vote yesterday.

I just wish the government weren't spending so much time bickering,thats why the EU are dictating terms and to demonstrate to others who might want to leave what is instore.Also because of the big black hole we leave in their budget(even after paying so much to meet their demands)
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The one thing that puzzles me is that we have paid for assets held in the EU so why is there no payment to us for them.Just genuinly curious hsving just gone through a divorce myself.

I know from my job that they get very hung up in the sanctity and supremacy of parliament. A mouthpiece for Brexit/current government wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Seamless border example.... Just saying it is not all roses either.

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The EU are not 'dictating terms'. They are reading out the rules, the rules that the British government can't be bothered to read.
The 'loss' of the UK would be a dent in the EU finances but it is not a 'black hole'

@Keyboard
Switzerland is not in the EU so it needs border controls. It is in the EEA which has a different set of rules.

@54321go,

Yes I know this of course.

But UK on hard Brexit will neither be in EEA or the EU either.

So you reckon UK will not have similar border backups, or worse?

I think, for the 'assets in the EU' question it is a bit like your friend asking you to make a cake. You go out and buy the ingredients but when you get home discover your friend has buggered off, leaving you out of pocket.
They are projects that the UK had signed up to and are now reneging on the original commitment. Completion of the Galileo may be just one of the projects.

And.... @54321, also bear in mind that the Swiss are in both the SM and the Schengen zone.

@ borders, Eventually a bit worse depending on whether customs actually have the same values for some items, needing less paperwork perhaps. As of Brexit day, catastrophically bad as ALL customs paperwork will have to be done by hand as potentially everything is changing. IF IT systems can get it together it will get better but that could be many months.
In theory food delivery INTO the UK could be 'waved through' without paperwork to relieve the risk of panicking, but of course it would technically be 'wrong'. All other goods will need manual customs checks unless the UK is happy for total mess. The EU will not permit ANYTHING to come out of the UK until full customs systems are reestablished, possibly months down the line.
A sudden switch to the WTO rules won't help as they still need ratification.

54321go We won’t be leaving them out of packet, that’s what the 40 billion is for, but don’t forget your mate has given you money to get the ingredients and other cakes which other people have had a share off without helping out with the cost of the ingredients

Schengen is more about people being able to move freely. SM is about goods movement. Schengen allows me to 'pop' into any other Schengen country in the car at 110Km/h without stopping.
Although Switzerland is in these other agreements, it also has strict rules of it's own regarding truck movements, above the restrictions that many of the EU countries have. Basically NO trucks move in Switzerland on a Sunday and possibly even Saturday. Of course the photo you put up is a snapshot and does not show how fast the trucks actually get through the border.

As far as I know the 40 Billion is the DIFFERENCE between 'friends' not the total amounts. It is also representing projects over several years.

When I just left my gym at the end of the membership I didn’t have to pay anything between friends, the club is there to join if you want, if not you just leave,it’s not up to me to pay for future gym equipment

Depends on your contract what you have to pay when you leave "the Gym".

At the end of membership is not the situation. Had you paid for a year and left after 6 months you won't necessarily get your money back. The Gym has invested your money for equipment. It's all in the 'small print'.

54321go Switzerland is not in the EEA. It is a member of EFTA and the SM.

Perhaps the EU could show us the contract and the small print, I thought we paid up a year in advance, there is no written contract for leaving as it has not been done on this scale before, When leaving the EU there should be governing rules, not make it up as you go along.

@ Rosstac,

The onus is on those who wish to leave to research the small and big print surely about leaving?

We are not leaving a Gym nor are we in a divorce.

We are part of a highly complex group of 28 nations, involved in defence, security, policing, trade, education, science, international diplomacy - rules and regs for all of these
we were a member for 45 years, a leading player in its formation from a purely trade organisation to the above - extrapolating ourselves from this will take considerably longer than 2 years and be very costly.
How many billions will be spent on the process of EU citizens being allowed to stay in the UK? or the loss of the euramus program for our kids? an alternative for Galileo, the billions spent on the dept for exiting the EU? the loss of trade?
West Midlands police (alone) make 25 enquires per day into Europol? how is that going to be replaced? thats our fucking security!!!!
We signed up for a 7 year budget, have pensions and on going financial commitments for decades to come.
As said we decided to leave without debating the consequences.