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Well, it’s happened... the trans activists have waded into the 8th amendment issue in Ireland

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AngeloMysterioso · 01/06/2018 00:34

And are apparently pushing for the language in the repeal legislation to be “gender neutral”.

Quote from the article-

“Despite what some may believe, men can become pregnant too. There are tens of thousands of transgender men and non-binary people in Ireland who can conceive, and when speaking about reproductive healthcare, we must always be mindful of that.

“It’s imperative that newly written legislation uses inclusive language. By including this, trans men and non binary people will not hit legal barriers should they need to receive an abortion. By using the term pregnant people in new legislation, as well as protecting women, we are also protecting and respecting all gender identities should a crisis pregnancy occur.”

So. That’s nice. Thousands upon thousands of women have suffered, many have died, because of bullshit like the 8th amendment. And after fighting so hard for so fucking long and finally winning the right to bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, if the TAs get their way, we get to be referred to as pregnant people

I’m a bit of a TERF at the best of times but this is beyond fucking insulting. Savita Halappanavar wasn’t a pregnant person. Michelle Harte wasn’t a pregnant person. Sheila Hodges wasn’t a pregnant person.

If the TDs capitulate and let this happen I will be really pissed off.

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sleepingdragons · 02/06/2018 19:40

Doesn't quite have the same right to it, does it?

Well, it’s happened... the trans activists have waded into the 8th amendment issue in Ireland
pachyderm · 02/06/2018 19:40

@mathanxiety it'd be interesting if we did finally have a debate about it. Because while the GRA has passed (admittedly with exemptions not in the proposed UK GRA), TENI are lobbying for its provisions to be extended to under 18s. Now THAT we need to discuss.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 02/06/2018 19:41

Sounds like something they do in Florida, when the crocodilians go walkabout Smile

sleepingdragons · 02/06/2018 19:41

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it?!!

sleepingdragons · 02/06/2018 19:50

This one any better?

Hmm, I think perhaps it's lacking a certain something, can't quite put my finger on it...

Well, it’s happened... the trans activists have waded into the 8th amendment issue in Ireland
sleepingdragons · 02/06/2018 19:53

CuriousaboutSamphire Grin

Ereshkigal · 02/06/2018 19:57

Sleeping Grin

Ereshkigal · 02/06/2018 19:59

Breedingpeoplesnet

Birthingpeoplesnet

Aeroflotgirl · 02/06/2018 20:00

ha ha Sleeping, that is funny, oh the irony. So we are all reduced to our body functions, great.

RoseWhiteTips · 02/06/2018 20:07

“shrill shrieking”?

Oh dear. And you have the audacity to quibble about that when you use words like that to describe real women.

RoseWhiteTips · 02/06/2018 20:07

*...to quibble about semantics...

RoseWhiteTips · 02/06/2018 20:09

Breeding people?
Birthing people?
Fgs

Ereshkigal · 02/06/2018 20:12

That's the point. It's what certain people are trying to promote.

mathanxiety · 02/06/2018 20:12

I sincerely hope it will all end very badly, @pachyderm.

The ramifications of self ID will become very glaringly obvious when that debate finally occurs. I think the over 18 element (and the court order aspect for 16-18 year olds) along with the discussion of divorce proceeding gender recognition if an individual was married reveals that there were glimmers of misgivings to begin with. But the shit will really hit the fan if people under 16 can rock up to some all girls or all boys school and demand admission. Or demand to play on opposite sex GAA teams or rugby teams.

mathanxiety · 02/06/2018 20:14

Ireland being what it is, I doubt it would raise a ruffle if men (aka 'transwomen') demanded to be admitted to DV shelters or asserted their right to be housed in a women's prison or girls' juvenile detention centre or a female psych ward.

mathanxiety · 02/06/2018 20:15

*divorce preceding not 'proceeding'..

pachyderm · 02/06/2018 20:17

@mathanxiety I really want some born women to try to enter St Pats seminary in Maynooth! :-)

BlueEyedBengal · 02/06/2018 20:18

I've been married for 29 yrs to my husband and I have in that time had 6 children. I love my life as a mother and my eldest a boy has gone through university and has a great job. He is getting married next year, life is good. We go through life been polite and respectful to others around us. I don't usually comment on this subject but I cant help feeling that society is trying to faze out the importance of women in the world. I am a mother a wife and a mother. I was never a pregnant person just as we get equality our importance becomes unimportant I don't know what else to say but that I am a women and like all women I am very important.

TerfsUp · 02/06/2018 20:21

I would love to see Irish transmen demanding entry to seminaries. And Greek transmen to Mount Athos in Greece.

Strongmummy · 02/06/2018 22:24

@Terf would love to know what DARVO stands for. Enlighten me

Look I’m not stupid and know there are Arseholes in this world who’ll compromise women. I’m a woman ffs so am very aware of what I do or don’t feel comfortable with (and I’m pretty intolerant). However, I feel really awful for people who are in the wrong body. I’m happy to accept trans womrm as womrn as I’m not paranoid they’re going to rape women and I see no threat to me or other women. Indeed how would you even know a trans woman is trans unless you look up their skirt!!!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 02/06/2018 22:36

Google is your friend

changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/darvo.htm

Ereshkigal · 02/06/2018 22:45

Strongmummy, I wouldn't be happy with you consenting to things on my behalf.

Strongmummy · 02/06/2018 22:53

The feeling is firmly mutual @Erishkigal. I feel really uncomfortable about you and your mates speaking on behalf of all women and all feminists. You don’t.

LightofaSilveryMoon · 02/06/2018 23:02

Your own personal consent does not override other women's non-consent, Strongmum.

sleepingdragons · 02/06/2018 23:23

I’m happy to accept trans womrm as womrn as I’m not paranoid they’re going to rape women and I see no threat to me or other women. Indeed how would you even know a trans woman is trans unless you look up their skirt!!!

Yes, we all started from a similar point. Pretty much all the gender critical "TERFs" started as lefties who believed in "live and let live".

The thing many people don't understand is that the term transgender doesn't mean transsexual.

Transsexuals are people who have dysphoria, who feel they are trapped in the wrong body. Fewer than 1 in 14,000 men have this. I can't remember off the top of my head what the figure for women is but it's less than half this IIRC.

Transgender, on the other hand, is an umbrella term that encompasses transsexuals, transvestites, fetishists, cross dressers, and generally people who feel they're not comfortable with society's definitions of gender norms and would like to be the opposite sex, and men who hate women but who get turned on by being accepted as one. In fact, anyone who want to identify as the opposite sex for any reason.

GIRES estimate about 1 in 100 people are trans. This is a totally different kettle of fish.

Trans is a political movement, it's an ideology. Save your pity as this movement is not really about transsexuals even. Transsexuals who say you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to be trans are called truscum by the activists, that's not what they're about.

The ideology behind transactivism is says anyone who says they're trans / the opposite sex is, no dysphoria required. The movement is homophobic and misogynistic as they don't believe that biological sex is a thing - that a penis is a female sex organ if its owner says they're female. Something like 80% of transwomen keep their penis.

This ideology says that lesbians who want to only date biological women are bigots.
Lesbians who don't want dick are currently being hounded out of the gay scene - out of Pride, out of their bars, groups, clubs, by male bodies people who demand they accept them as potential partners.

Just this week:

A young lesbian was attacked by trans rights activists, who then gloated about it online.

Magdalen Berns, well known lesbian youtuber, got viscously attacked in the street in what may have been a homophobic attack. None of the main gay press covered it (because Magdalen speaks out for lesbians and agains trans activists).

Also this week, it's come to light that women in a homeless shelter were told to go back to the streets if they didn't like it, when they were forced to shower with a transwoman who made lewd and sexually inappropriate comments, and leered at them while they were naked.

And the vile Morgane Oger, a transwoman with political office in Canada, repeatedly berated Jana Cornel, an FGM survivor, for daring to say that FGM was performed on her because of her biological sex, no her gender.

And trans rights activists got a crowdfunder suspended for a guide for schools on trans children, that advocates watch and wait (given many trans teens have co-morbid conditions like depression, anorexia and autism) is fairly sensible and what the NHS advises, but the TRAs disagree.

That was just this week. This is a war on women, and you really need to open your eyes to what's going on as it's not long that women have had the rights we've got use to, and we're at serious risk of losing them.

There's kickback happening, but the TRAs have made significant progress progress, largely because hardly anyone saw it coming, the politicians want to look progressive and people like you still think it's all about helping transsexuals with dysphoria. But it's really not.