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Not to want to take teenager daughter on holiday

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potatopeel · 03/05/2018 14:33

I have DD who is 17 who has a horrendous attitude, she's incredibly rude, grumpy, snappy, inconsiderate and very very controlling. She is her fathers double, hence me leaving him and her having no contact. She has younger siblings who are also NC with him. They are completely different to her, just your average kids, occasionally naughty/ rude/ annoying/ lazy etc, so by no means perfect.
DH and I are desperate for a holiday, we both work very hard and are very busy with kids etc. But we really want a relaxing holiday. If we take DD she will demand certain rooms/ seats on plane / days out / food and constantly ask for alcohol (we rarely say yes, so not sure why she does this) It's draining. If we leave her at home she'll trash the house, so not an option, we have no one we want to loose friendship enough to leave her with them.
We offered to pay for her and her friends to have a caravan holiday near family to keep an eye on her, but she says as they are under 18 they don't have ID and can't go drinking so she refused.
So we are left with the option to take her. So paying out a lot of money to feel uncomfortable and on edge somewhere else. DS15 has already expressed his concerns. We all do bend to her whims and wishes, not ideal but it's very difficult dealing with the fall out if we don't.
She doesn't see what she does or how she harms people. Even if it's staring her in the face.
She's ruined her passport trying to alter it to get a fake ID. I have told her she must pay to replace it, as she ruined it. DH has said he know we'll end up paying for it.
I think of laying down the ground rules before going (for the eldest not the others - seems ridiculous) but She'll ignore them or have an excuse.
AIBU not to want to take her, but do it and begrudge it?

OP posts:
Fruitcorner123 · 03/05/2018 14:57

Well, she sounds deeply unhappy. Maybe you should address that.

^This

Have you told her you think she is like her dad? If she knows how much you dislike him she probably knows you dislike her. You may love her but your post clearly comes across as disliking her.

I think you need to take her on holiday but also organise some counselling perhaps some with you and her together? She's 17 so it's likely to be the last holiday you have with her.

teaandtoast · 03/05/2018 15:04

'... we rarely say yes...', but you do say yes to alcohol sometimes, which is why she keeps asking.
If you always said no, imo, she'd eventually stop asking.

OddBoots · 03/05/2018 15:06

I know you really want a holiday now but could you wait a year until she is an adult?

speakout · 03/05/2018 15:09

She sounds very unhappy.

cestlavielife · 03/05/2018 15:10

You say you don t hate her
But you said very clearly

" she's incredibly rude, grumpy, snappy, inconsiderate and very very controlling. She is her fathers double, hence me leaving him"
Sounds like you dislike her and wish you could leave her too...

So you left your ex
But you can't leave her or could notituntil now she is nearly 18 and presumably you can just get rid of her at 18 ?

So how has that felt to her?
I agree no one should pander to her
You should not be tip toeing... but it s been at least three years right ? You mentionned an incident when she was 14 .

So there have been several.yeara of issues...and all that time she must have picked up how you feel about her being like your ex.

So it s a bigger problem than a holiday .not an easy one to fix. You could get some support....advice..

Take her with you set the rules
Ignore tantrums. or
Leave her in a caravan set the rules. If she underage she underage. Tough.

lhastingsmua · 03/05/2018 15:13

^I agree, frankly she sounds deeply unhappy, and you sound like you resent her (by constantly comparing her to her father). I think this relationship breakdown is more two-sided than you’re letting on....you’re painting her as a demented demon child but your examples of her bad behaviour don’t particularly match up to that.

How has she managed to turn into her controlling father if he hasn’t been in her life then? How is a 17 year old ‘very very controlling’ anyway.....bratty/mouthy yes, but she isn’t physically/financially better off than you so there’s a limit to how controlling she actually is until you’re simply just enabling her

Personally i think you should just let her go to the caravan trip with her friends. Get them some alcohol (not a considerable amount, just enough for them to have fun but not paralytic) and leave them to it. At that age i’d rather be with my friends rather than a family holiday, she’s probably outgrown that sort of dynamic at 17 and can look after herself for a few weeks

pigmcpigface · 03/05/2018 15:14

"She is her fathers double, hence me leaving him and her having no contact."

Oh my God, this speaks volumes.

If your DD is acting out, then maybe she needs a bit more help/support instead of being described as exactly like her father, whom you clearly hate.

Dragongirl10 · 03/05/2018 15:16

Gosh you are a lot nicer than me, hell would be unleashed if any of mine dared to behave like that!

I just would not tolerate it or give her any sort of holiday......but you do say you have given in to her appalling behavior in the past so it will be tough to turn around now...good luck.

Pebblespony · 03/05/2018 15:20

Isn't 17 a bit old to be going on a holiday like that? She'll be bored. Let her off to do her own thing. She's nearly an adult.

Isntcoffeewonderful · 03/05/2018 15:20

I think she needs to speak to a therapist /psychiatrist.

She sounds like she has an undiagnosed personality disorder.
Maybe she’d do well on some therapy and medication?

You do sound at your wits end and I think the time to act is now to really help her before she’s 18 and legally out of your hands.

I feel for you wanting some down time without her. It’s so hard to have a teen who isn’t well mentally, and not to have any respite from it for the whole family. Of course your younger kids need time off from her too so they at least have a nice relaxing holiday, and happy childhood memories.

I think a trip to your GP is in order, and if you think about it, investing in a private appointment with a psychiatrist instead of a holiday might just be the turning point for her life, and the whole family as a result.

She doesn’t sound well to me and you’re all suffering in the shadow of her illness. Bless you all.

DougFargo · 03/05/2018 15:20

It felt really, really shit

Then maybe she might stop making everyone else feel really really shit?

She's 17. At her age I lived alone, self supporting. She has to learn that there are consequences for bad behaviour, and a holiday in the sun is not one of them!

Elusiveone · 03/05/2018 15:21

I sympathize with you op my dd just turned 18. Very hard ages to deal with. I laugh when people on mumsnet moan about there toddlers. Wait till they hit 16/17/18 give me a toddler anyday

Kokeshi123 · 03/05/2018 15:22

A lot of the examples seem pretty normal for a teenager.

I think the behavior the OP is describing goes well beyond what is normal for a teenager. Trying to alter her passport to make it into a fake ID? Being so untrustworthy that she can't even be left in the house lest she trash the place?

I'd be tempted to send her to a holiday camp. Preferably one that isn'T much fun.

LucyEvans26 · 03/05/2018 15:25

Everyone is talking about this "child" like shes 5!! shes 17 and needs to grow the hell up! Does she have a job? I think that's the best thing for her atm someone to get rid of that attitude! Id leave her at home, if she trashes it deal with it but shell probably enjoy some peace! She sounds way too entitled!

Parker231 · 03/05/2018 15:27

I don’t think she needs therapy or special help ; she just needs to learn how to behave. Why has she been allowed to cause so much trouble in the family. I would be setting our the rules which apply to everyone in the family and if she doesn’t comply and behave as an adult ( which she nearly is), then she gets punished as a child.

IHeartMaryLennox · 03/05/2018 15:28

Well actually Doug, it just made me more unhappy Hmm

In my case, not saying it's the same here, having a mum that very very obviously doesn't like you, makes you defensive and prickly and probably not a pleasure to be around. Her telling me I would not be coming on the family holiday (to Barcelona, which is somewhere she knew damn well I really wanted to go) just made me depressed, it did not teach me a lesson. She gave the place to my brothers girlfriend and I had to see family holiday pics up all over Facebook.

I have adult-diagnosed autism too, something that was never addressed by her because she deemed it as just me being a difficult child.

There's tonnes of stuff I'll never forgive her for but this quite a big one.

Eliza9917 · 03/05/2018 15:30

IHeartMaryLennox Thu 03-May-18 14:45:17

Yeah, I'm probably being a bit defensive as my mum did this to me (although I was nowhere NEAR the kind of behaviour the OP has described)

It felt really, really shit.

Maybe she'd learn action have consequences.

Roussette · 03/05/2018 15:31

Why does every pain in the arse person have an 'undiagnosed personality disorder' on MN? Why can't they just be a pain?

FWIW one of my DCs was very awkward at 17, she came with us on one holiday and did play up somewhat but I went apeshit and she toed the line after that. She had a friend with her too so there was no excuse.

You need to give her options. Either you come with us and you do this, you don't do that, you try your best etc. OR I'll send you off on a PGL Holiday and you'll be the oldest there. Your choice

specialsubject · 03/05/2018 15:32

she sounds very difficult to like, let alone love - a destructive, foolis h, untrustworthy, nasty, boring child with no hobbie s except swilling.

that is also incredibly sad . is there no getting through to her?

Mouseville65 · 03/05/2018 15:33

I'm so shocked at the responses here, she's 17 - not a child! I moved into my own home 3 days after my 16th birthday because I didn't want to live by my parents house rules. Never mind a caravan holiday, I would seriously send her into the big wide world so she see's just how bloody lucky she is! Tell her she has one month to prove she can change her behaviour and stop upsetting everyone or you'll be booking a holiday without her .. and stick to it!

catinapoolofsunshine · 03/05/2018 15:33

potato does she want to go on holiday with you? The answer to that has to be where you start from.

Mousefunky · 03/05/2018 15:33

My DM did this to me when I was 14, I had to stay with my DGM for the week yet my little brother got to go... he was always the favourite and that was further evidence. It really hurt me at the time. I wasn’t quite as difficult as your DD but similar. I was deeply unhappy and struggling and it sounds like your DD is too. Get her some help.

Roussette · 03/05/2018 15:35

Ditto mouse . I moved 30 miles away at age 17 because of strict parents (ridiculously so) and I supported myself in a flat.

VladmirsPoutine · 03/05/2018 15:36

I moved into my own home 3 days after my 16th birthday because I didn't want to live by my parents house rules.

Indeed, there are just tons of 16/17yo olds with enough money and requisite life-skills to set of in the world solo. This is just so ridiculous. It's like "Well in 1938 I worked part-time in a bakery and bought a 4-bed house in Kensington and Chelsea."

Roussette · 03/05/2018 15:38

I had no life skills Vlad I was clueless, but somehow I got myself a job and a flat and managed. People do, and can.

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