to say not in my name

[yetanothertranswoman]

When transactivists threaten a woman organising a clothes swap on Facebook and get the venue to stop the event just because they don't like the views of the organiser.

Not in my name

When transactivists threaten women on twitter and tell them to 'suck my lady penis'.

Not in my name

When transactivists threaten women with hate laws and call in the police because they express their opinions.

Not in my name

When transactivists demand access to single sex spaces despite not bothering with thinking about how the women might feel.

Not in my name

When transactivists shut down venues and silence people who have their own concerns over what is going on.

Not in my name.

Yetanothertranswoman,
As others have said, nuance and respect is absolutely key.

I read SevenHex's powerful words last night.... twitter.com/fedupfemme/status/930279352775921664

at the end of JT's Times article yesterday she wrote:
"A proper debate on the GRA is essential: what is proposed is nothing less than changing the very definition of man and woman in law — biology replaced with identity. The trans lobby does not represent the vast majority of trans people, quietly getting on with their lives, who understand women’s concerns and are willing to discuss political red lines."

Thanks OP.

A really good post. I've been thinking alot about the difficulties this behaviour caused for genuine / reasonable / thoughtful trans men and women and how it must put those people between a rock and a hard place. How sad to feel so pushed out by those who should be supporting you.

yet.

Good luck to those looking to organise their own separate tw group re this :)

such 'mean' accusations are seen for what they are Strongmummy...

WGHWTGL

I am surprised that strongmummy comment got deleted - I didn't report it.

But yes - to answer her comments. I have been called a TERF online. I'm on the TERF blocklist - all for asking some key questions about being trans.

And yes - I do hate being trans. I didn't ask for it. I certainly don't want to be trans. But I am trans. I can't help it. I don't identify as trans anymore as anyone else identifies as something they are.

I am trans. I have to live in this world just like other people and find my way around it.

All this activism and silencing of women really really doesn't help. I know people have points to make and issues to raise but I don't think the way people are going around it helps at all. It just creates polarisation and barriers - when we need bridges,

I hate it at the moment. It's going to sound selfish but i really worry about the consequences for me. There's so much stuff going on and I just worry if it's all going to explode and a massive backlash will occur.

It got deleted I would imagine because apparently TERF is offensive, despite it being a literal acronym. I’m sorry you hate being trans Yet. I would imagine however it may be easier if you were accepted as a woman and not told you have body dysmorphia. It ain’t trans activists telling you that my friend

Well, generally radical feminism excludes males, so it's not really possible for a transwoman to be a radical feminist.
That's without even getting onto the trans-exclusionary bit.

I'd imagine it was deleted as a personal attack - www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette
Though I didn't report either.

Beyond, I’m an intersectional , sex positive feminist who believes trans women are women, not men, ergo a trans woman absolutely could be a radical feminist. However not sure why anyone would want to associate with that branch of feminism

A sex positive feminist? What the hell is that?

Have you actually read yet's posts, and those of the other transwomen on this thread, strong?

It ain’t trans activists telling you that my friend

Trans activists are doing a hell of a lot to make life difficult at the moment.

It's going to just get worse.

SEx positive feminists don’t see anything fundamentally wrong in sex work or pornography. Google is your friend.

And yes I’ve read the posts and feel awful that transwomen aren’t accepted as women and feel very sad that it’s often feminists who are doing the excluding.

I’ve read the posts and feel awful that transwomen aren’t accepted as women and feel very sad that it’s often feminists who are doing the excluding

IDK, trans women I am happy to accept as women - but I am not happy to agree that they are biologically women.

My acceptance of them as women socially has nothing to do with the reality of the thing, which is that they were born male and you cannot change sex. You can alter physical attributes, 'live as a woman' - you can 'feel like a woman' and be treated as a woman for all day-to-day purposes and I am happy to support that in the way I treat people, and by respecting them as fellow human beings living the way they feel best suits their personalities as long as it causes no harm to others.

But physically, medically - trans women are not "women" by the accepted definition of the word. They are "men who do not identify with their gender expectations".

The law needs distinctions it can uphold. Language is a powerful thing. That's why "trans women ARE women" is so powerful and emotive. And I am totally happy to agree it socially (I have no reason to police any one else's experience of life) as long as those "trans women who are women" agree that actually, it's not true in all senses and contexts in which "woman" is being used.

I'm not excluding them. I am all for including them but letting biology be recognised.

Trans women are TRANS WOMEN. They can be proud of that. Why not?

"However not sure why anyone would want to associate with that branch of feminism"

I would ask if you would care to ellaborate, but I'm aware of how much yet's thread has been cluttered up already. Perhaps you could start your own thread in FWR about it?

Gah.

Should have guessed from the vague thread title.

Oh I see! A feminist who supports trafficking and rape of women. Right. So not a feminist at all. That's why I was asking because I couldn't believe you had the audacity to join those two phrases together. Google is your friend if you think that's hyperbole

Capn - erm, no, coz trafficking and raping women is erm trafficking and raping women. Some women make a decision to do sex work and make a good living from it and actually enjoy it. It’s called women having agency. You may want to speak to those women and broaden your mind.

I think prostitution/feminism is probably another topic that could fill 1000 posts of its own thread. It really is more polite to keep to what yet wants to discuss here, as its yet's thread.

Beyond, I have zero interest in starting my own thread on the pros and cons of different types of feminism. I am answering a particular post aimed at me where I was defending my views on Yets original post. It’s called debate development. If you have issues with that ......start your own thread?

Looks more like derailing from here :)

Sorry for derailing, I’ll shut up about it.

Just read this linked in another thread and kind of feel it should be brought back to life as its so improtant, especially with the current attack on MN.

An additional point on transphobia here. I've seen it once, it was aimed at me. Fellow posters rounded on the transphobe and mnhq quickly pulled the comment. But I've seen many more posters attempt to shut down a reasonable concern or post with cries of "transphobia" that tells me where the problem lies and it ain't with so called "terfs".

Indeed. I have seen transphobia a few times, posters call it out and its deleted fast. In the past few weeks though, there have been LOADS of new users posting transphobia all over FWR. I find it odd, that genuine new posters would join, find their way to FWR and start posting transphobic bollocks. My theory is obviously that TRAs are joining and posting transphobic bullshit in an attempt to prove that MN is transphobic, because they cannot find any actual transphobia from users.