Calling Tory Voters

[donquixotedelamancha]

Some recent NHS themed threads have me thinking. I wonder whether those who voted Tory at the last election, or the one previously, wouldn't mind giving their oppinions:

1. Do you think that the NHS is in crisis? If so do you want it to receive more money?
2. Was the NHS an important issue for you, when you voted?
3. What do you want to see replace the NHS?
4. Do you intend to vote the same way again? Does this fit with your answers above, or do you feel torn?

1. Do you think that the NHS is in crisis? If so do you want it to receive more money?
Not particularly, I think the word 'crisis' is being used to push a hard left political agenda. Would like to see it reformed before anymore money was spent on it or it would be wasted.

2. Was the NHS an important issue for you, when you voted? Yes it was and I thought the Tories were the only party trying to get the deficit down and therefore would protect our NHS.

3. What do you want to see replace the NHS? I dont want to see it replaced, just some reforms to make it better managed, more efficient etc.

4. Do you intend to vote the same way again? Does this fit with your answers above, or do you feel torn? At the moment I will vote the same way yes, as labour seems intent on keeping us in the EU. Because a Corbyn PM would destroy this country and I cant see anyone suggesting sensible reform to the NHS just more borrowed money down a black hole.

People have short memories the NHS was falling apart under Labour too, they threw money at it and just employed and invented more and more tiers of management who didn't give a fuck about patient care , i was redeployed twice in 2006 so several years before the "Tories" got in as the mental health trust I worked for closed down units and wards , the trust I worked for wasent short of money the just did ridiculous things with the money like refurbish wards at the cost of £900, 000.And them less than 12 months later decide to close that ward complete mismanagement and nobody was held.accountable

Yes, PFI is/was the equivalent of putting the debt on a very high interest rate credit card with a dodgy lender, so that nuLabour could build lots of shiny new hospitals which would make people think they were spending money on the NHS, only it would be their kids and grandkids who would end up paying, mostly for the interest, let alone the actual costs, in eyewatering amounts of tax.

1. The NHS isn't in crisis it's a shambles. So terribly mismanaged it's unbearable. For example, and this is just my experience. I have a GP just under 10 minutes from my house. It's one of four within walking distance to me, 2 more a short bus ride. Can I get an appointment no. I'm constantly being sent over 45 minutes away, 2 buses to the walk in centre.

I've had my GP refuse or cancel a family planning service, making women go to the hospital for thugs like coil removal. Making the wait 4 months not 6 weeks. Maybe pay the big bosses less bonuses.

1. Sort of.
2. Needs better management.
3. Yes I'll vote the same. No I'm not torn. That Corbin bloke is a moron.

1. Yes
2. Not too important.
3. A normal health service as in other countries
4. Probably

NewyearNewme18

On the contrary - I can sleep knowing my votes haven't made people homeless, starved poor kids to the extent councils are considering free school meals 365 days a year and people aren't committing suicide due to unfair sanctions and benefit assessments. And that I'm not responsible for the increase in RICKETS in kids or the budget cuts to schools.

But that's just me 😊

Never voted Tory (and at age 55 unlikely to start) but I think greenseeded grape is right about how both major parties treat the NHS. It’s ALWAYS “in crisis” yet whenever I use it it is full of people who have had the time and resources to print a million signs about all the things us patient scum might be doing wrong and stick them up everywhere. As for resources and management- I have no clue as no-one will offer an unbiased opinion.

Most PFI deals were not signed in the last 7 years. Not sure where you got that stat from.

Maybe pay the big bosses less [sic] bonuses.

Spoiler alert - all Tories support obscene bonuses for everyone who is a big boss (although they will probably insist the NHS ones transition to a private company).

1. Do you think that the NHS is in crisis? Yes If so do you want it to receive more money? No. I want to see the budget handed to social care
2. Was the NHS an important issue for you, when you voted? Not overly so. I voted for my MP and what they stand for not the party as a whole
3. What do you want to see replace the NHS? Part funded treatment. Only full funding for essential treatment and no funding for lifestyle illnesses like complications from type 2 diabetes
4. Do you intend to vote the same way again? Yes. Our MP is an asset to the town and even hard core local labour voters agree.

By crisis I mean labour ran it into the ground and it's only just started recovering

I didn't vote conservative, but I do think the nhs needs to be reformed.
At the moment, adults go to the doctors to get some paracetamol for a cold, and multi-millionaire seventy year olds are paying nothing for their expensive treatment of type 2 diabetes etc etc.it needs reforming, I don't think it's failing, it's just prioritising.

I didn’t vote Conservative

But I really don’t believe Labour would be dealing with the NHS any better

Both parties use the NHS as a political football it’s about time there was a cross party committee dealing with the NHS (and Brexit)

And we'd have money for all those things if we Blair and Brown hadn't spent it all on fluffy wuffy bombs worldsworstcook

On and swing voter.. I voted Labour two elections ago and unfortunately..
I suffered badly in our local hospital... That was under labour... Unfortunatly due to that horrific experience and one other people went through I couldn't vote labour again... At that time.

Now that hospital and others are in recovery... I couldn't trust the current Labour set up because political freedom is too important to me...

Hopefully one day a brilliant true Labour party will come back and I can vote for them again.. But now. Bloody scary

1. Yes. No.
2. Yes
3. Not applicable
4. Yes. Yes. (No, I don't feel torn).

This ^^

1. Do you think that the NHS is in crisis? If so do you want it to receive more money?

Yes. No - I don't believe the public sector can manage anything efficiently.

Less bureaucracy and wastage, more monitoring of who is using it (other European countries, Australia, NZ, do this and they're not considered heartless for turning people away who have no right to use their healthcare), not giving away so many free prescriptions, minimum years of service for the doctors and nurses we pay to train... A few things that would make a difference.

1. Was the NHS an important issue for you, when you voted?

Healthcare is important to me but hand on heart I don't believe any government will make a significant difference whilst it is public sector owned.

The tories wouldn't dare to disband / privatise the NHS despite the tabloid hyperbole. Personally I'd love it if they did but they won't, no one will, its an untouchable sacred cow.

1. What do you want to see replace the NHS?

Some thing similar to the German system, health insurance replaces national insurance which those that work pay into and subsidise those that can't pay. It is nonsense that the only two options are NHS or the American system.

1. Do you intend to vote the same way again? Does this fit with your answers above, or do you feel torn?

Absolutely, no I don't feel torn.

The NHS could significantly benefit from allowing people to pay for certain things (such as private rooms) and use the profit for general care. There is also a lot to be said for a nominal charge to use the service. We pay for dentists and opticians.
Singapore gets a better healthcare outcome (for poor people) for less money using a form of compulsory healthcare insurance (paid for by govt for poorer people) with a cap on overall costs (for chronic conditions).
Note the only party that has ever introduced payments into the HNS are the Labour party (opticians/dentists and prescriptions)

I worked for
The nhs under labour.

They introduced matrons which were no more than office managers. They outsourced nursing instead of training at home. We were chronically understaffed. I remember doing a run of night shifts in a 35 bed acute ward with two nurses and one hca.

Oh and it agree with everything Julie ^^ said.

I lived it wet through it it was a horror show! NHS under labour!

Side of order I can't well believe it...

On the contrary - I can sleep knowing my votes haven't made people homeless, starved poor kids to the extent councils are considering free school meals 365 days a year and people aren't committing suicide due to unfair sanctions and benefit assessments. And that I'm not responsible for the increase in RICKETS in kids or the budget cuts to schools.
But that's just me 😊

Virtue Signaller Alert

we'd have money for all those things if we Blair and Brown hadn't spent it all on fluffy wuffy bombs

Just have a look at whats happening in Syria... if only we HAD intervened.

NHS is a political football that you are perpetuating.

As other posters have said a lot of todays problems with the NHS and housing can be laid at the feet of Labour, now whether you count that as not true labour or not, that is up to you.

But to try and insinuate that Tory voters all want to see the end of the NHS is not only childish but also lacking in any real political and critical thinking.

Not a tory voter, but will never vote for JC and his shambles of a shadow cabinet and if he is still leader then I will hold my nose and vote for them.

NHS needs reform not just to keep throwing money at it.

It’s not fit fir purpose now as it’s an old model.

People like you op are the very idiots who will preside over the death of the NHS as you refuse to face facts and just want to make silly political
Point scoring.

The nhs needs to be reformed root and branch, we need to instigate a massive social care budget to address the ageing and increasing population and stop expecting nurses to be saddled with debt by insisting they have degrees.

I trained in the early 80s. We lived practically rent free and did a very very good apprebtership trsining. ALL of our 1982 group are senior nurses but sadly most are working abroad now.

Throwing money st a crisis is labours way of wasting millions of tax payers cash while virtue signalling.

Educate yourself