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To think a transgender male murderer should not be allowed to win 'Miss Fitness' competition WHILE IN JAIL

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 14/02/2018 09:50

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-murderer-crowned-prisons-miss-12022026

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/outrage-transgender-prisoner-living-woman-12022675

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BigDeskBob · 17/02/2018 10:00

I do think that was the whole point of the item. The paper was highlighting that men are in women's prison s, not that a competition is unfair. It's very difficult to argue that this obviously very fit murderer is in any way more vulnerable than any other fit male murderer.

GnotherGnu · 17/02/2018 10:11

Please include your thoughts on the fact that many of the male prisoners in question are convicted violent criminals and/or rapists

These threads never include any thoughts on the fact that many female prisoners are convicted violent criminals, and that includes crimes with a sexual element.

BigDeskBob · 17/02/2018 10:24

GnotherGnu, so why do we supposedly have sex segregation in prison?

kaytee87 · 17/02/2018 10:30

In his evidence, Baker – who described himself as “predominately gay”

^ he even described himself as gay in his own evidence.

If he genuinely thought he was a women then surely he'd describe himself as a straight female?

He just didn't fancy going into a male prison, the judge could probably see right through it but too scared to say anything incase they're accused of hate speech.

MrPan · 17/02/2018 10:39

Is there a privatisation element to all this. That is it encourages a private expense IF you don't wish to share a space with the opposite sex and can afford to not.

PositivelyPERF · 17/02/2018 11:08

predominately gay so he’s not actually gay then, but at best bisexual, so has a sexual interest in females. Before any transmaidens start with the “what about the lesbians”, they can’t get women pregnant and are much less likely to force or bully women into a sexual relationship. HE should never have been permitted to enter a female prison. It just shows a misogynist lack of respect for females from the judicial system.

busyboysmum · 17/02/2018 11:16

And all this is happening under the current law. Imagine what would happen were self id to be introduced.

titchy · 17/02/2018 12:14

These threads never include any thoughts on the fact that many female prisoners are convicted violent criminals, and that includes crimes with a sexual element.

That's because there are very very few of them. HTH

AssassinatedBeauty · 17/02/2018 12:39

Here's a helpful link with some facts about the England & Wales female prison population:

www.womeninprison.org.uk/research/key-facts.php

The most pertinent one being that 84% of women are in prison for non-violent offences.

GnotherGnu · 17/02/2018 13:31

BigDeskBob, manifestly we don't have sex segregation in order to keep vulnerable prisoners away from violent ones.

stitchglitched · 17/02/2018 13:39

Gnu do you think it is acceptable that women are forced to share intimate spaces including showers with a male bodied person?

AssassinatedBeauty · 17/02/2018 13:44

Here's another interesting document about prison statistics:

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

In 2016 there were 126 women in prison for sexual offences. Is that many? There were 13,808 men in prison for sexual offences, for comparison.

busyboysmum · 17/02/2018 13:51

Also now we class any man who has a GRC or is on the way to getting one as a woman it would be interesting to see how many of those 2016 women were actually biological women.

BigDeskBob · 17/02/2018 14:16

Gnother, I didn't ask you why we don't have sex segregation, I asked you why we do.

GnotherGnu · 17/02/2018 17:28

stitchglitched, do you think it's acceptable that there were 20,000 assaults on prisoners by other prisoners last year?

stitchglitched · 17/02/2018 17:29

No I don't. Can you answer my question now please?

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