Page 2 | To think a transgender male murderer should not be allowed to win 'Miss Fitness' competition WHILE IN JAIL

ZBIsabella · 14/02/2018 10:38

That;s totally unfair. He is a man. There could be a transgender cup but the women get their own cup.

MrPan · 14/02/2018 10:40

Yes they are vastly misunderstood, very vulnerable and need a lot of societies support. The histories of women in prison are characterised by sexual and physical abuse, homelessness, class A drug misuse as a result of being pimped, mental health issues and having rights and protections disregarded.

This episode underlines a lot of those issues.

PositivelyPERF · 14/02/2018 10:41

MasterWu So do you think that all female prisoners should have no rights, while make prisoners get EXTRA rights? If this doesn’t affect you, so you don’t care, why are you commenting on a thread discussing the rights of female prisoners?

QueenLaBeefah · 14/02/2018 10:41

Is it actually relevant if I've met any women from this prison? Might have done as it's not that far from me.

MrPan · 14/02/2018 10:42

Oh and I've met a very large number of women in prison. I suspect from your ill-informed post there Wu, you've not knowingly met any.

worthlesspeon · 14/02/2018 10:42

I can't wait for the day where we get a trans issues board for folk to haul their soapboxes over to. I'm sick to fucking death of active being clogged up by trans posts. I could tolerate it when it was only in feminism chat but seems to have made its way over to AIBU and chat. I know I'm not the only one getting fed up with this. Everywhere I look the anti-trans agenda is being shoved down my throat. I'd rather have Jehovah's Witnesses come to my house twice a day, at least I could ignore the doorbell.

PositivelyPERF · 14/02/2018 10:42

male prisoners

PositivelyPERF · 14/02/2018 10:43

at least I could ignore the doorbell but you can’t ignore the threads?

MrPan · 14/02/2018 10:45

worthless - you can ignore this door bell by not opening the threads. no-one is forcing you.

and it largely isn't "anti-trans" - if it was I wouldn't be posting, for one.

QueenLaBeefah · 14/02/2018 10:45

If you find that mumsnet is getting too much for you then do something else

Theglobe · 14/02/2018 10:47

MrPan, the same could be said for men in prison too, but they garner nowhere near the sympathy levels (or funding levels) of female prisoners.

Having been in a women’s prison when a huge scandal hit the newspapers, I can say the reality was an awful lot less exciting than the reports. Whilst the essence of the story might well be true, I would treat the whole report with caution.

MasterWu · 14/02/2018 10:48

Yes they are vastly misunderstood, very vulnerable and need a lot of societies support. The histories of women in prison are characterised by sexual and physical abuse, homelessness, class A drug misuse as a result of being pimped, mental health issues and having rights and protections disregarded.

So barring being "pimped" exactly the same issues as a male prisoners then.

PositivelyPERF · 14/02/2018 10:50

You haven’t answered my question MasterWu. Maybe you missed it? So do you think that all female prisoners should have no rights, while make prisoners get EXTRA rights? If this doesn’t affect you, so you don’t care, why are you commenting on a thread discussing the rights of female prisoners?

MasterWu · 14/02/2018 10:51

Oh and I've met a very large number of women in prison. I suspect from your ill-informed post there Wu, you've not knowingly met any

Or maybe we've just met them in very different contexts. I'm prepared to bet quite a lot of money when you met them you weren't in any uniformed role, nor in any where you had to tell them No.

noeffingidea · 14/02/2018 10:51

Worthlesspeon there's a message at the top of this page that says 'hide this thread'. If you click on it then it will indeed be hidden. Most threads about transgender issues have a clue in the title, just to make it easier for you.

MrPan · 14/02/2018 10:51

I'd disagree The - there is scant sympathy in the public's eye for male or female prisoners - females get it worse, I think as they are sad/mad/bad whereas men are risk takers who have been caught out type thinking.
Fewer womens prisons also leads to being placed furhter away from dependents and supportive people.

But we digress.

MrPan · 14/02/2018 10:53

Wu - I've no idea where your speculation is going and I don't really care, otehr than to say 'yes, I've had to say no'.
I think there ends our exchange.

DrawingLife · 14/02/2018 10:53

The reason trans threads are frequent on MN at the moment is because there is a complete lack of honest debate elsewhere.

We're not obsessed, we're concerned that huge changes to our protections are being established on the basis of a new orthodoxy that has never been properly debated. We're just expected to accept it without ANY acknowledgement of different views or questioning of the consequences for women and girls.

I have no problem with ppl identifying as different genders. I have a problem when their rights and feelings are expected to trump mine and make a mockery of the reason protections for women were established in the first place.
This should not simply be the new status quo. It needs a reasoned, rational, respectful debate with compromises.

This isn't a case where no one is being harmed by giving additional rights to a group of ppl. If this is done the wrong way I tell you what will happen ten, twenty years down the line:
there will be NO protections or women's rights, no matter how much discrimination and inequality biological women still suffer. The right wing meninists LOVE trans activism and the way women are letting themselves be co opted.

If a female body and reproductive capacity is not inexorably linked to the oppression, discrimination and inequalities that have existed for centuries (as the "inclusive" feminists will have us believe), if the mere biological experience of being a xx woman has no meaning, then why should we need to have special protections? If people with no physical experience of being women can become officers for women's rights, why not men? If male bodies are allowed in female spaces, why not all men? Isn't it unfair to exclude them? After all, they're not all violent abusers, are they? Why are we differentiating at all? Aren't we all the same? A bit gender fluid, a bit of this and that?

Oh, and do we for one minute think that male privilege will ever be extended to trans men??

The fucking reason women have gained hard fought for protections is inseparable from our biology. To pretend otherwise risks eroding women's rights permanently.

KC225 · 14/02/2018 10:53

I hope that is NOT going to be a trans board. I want them the posts to stay on AIBU. Via these posts I have been made aware of this trans madness, the possible danger and eroding of women's safety and rights. Keep them coming, this affects all of us.

And agree, don't open and don't post. I never open parking or school runs.

HandbagKrabby · 14/02/2018 10:53

Yes that’s a woman in a women’s prison winning the Miss Fitness award. Absolutely. Nothing to see here. Move along.

What really pisses me off about this shit is men will be laughing at us. Laughing at how stupid women are for going along with this obvious bullshit. No man woke or otherwise is going to look at that photo and say Miss Fitness 2017 is an actual woman. But women who see this are too scared of the consequences to speak out so we’re losing our voice.

It’s a massive human rights violation to lock women in a prison with Alex.

HollyBayTree · 14/02/2018 10:55

A male murderer in a women's prison having a great time seems to me

I doubt the women were complaining either

Boulshired · 14/02/2018 10:55

I find it interesting, a few years ago it was argued that trans women (not that I trust prisoners who declare once at prison) were not going to deliberately take women places. It was female paranoia to even suggest male prisoners would claim to be women never mind entering competition for females. This was never going to happen and yet here we are.

HomeTerf · 14/02/2018 10:57

the results of one Scottish jail's fitness competition affects literally no-one here
Such a lovely misunderstood group

So 'why should I care if it doesn't affect ME?' and 'Women in prison deserve whatever they get'... And the anti-self-ID posters here are the ones who are accused of 'hatred'??

Jeez.

MasterWu · 14/02/2018 10:58

You haven’t answered my question MasterWu. Maybe you missed it? So do you think that all female prisoners should have no rights, while make prisoners get EXTRA rights? If this doesn’t affect you, so you don’t care, why are you commenting on a thread discussing the rights of female prisoners?

I chose to ignore it. Anyone with Perf as their username isn't exactly going to be willing to listen to any viewpoint which isn't transphobic

Goldenbug · 14/02/2018 10:59

"WHILE IN JAIL"?

You're upset about somebody in jail winning a fittest person in jail competition. YABU.