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To think a transgender male murderer should not be allowed to win 'Miss Fitness' competition WHILE IN JAIL

192 replies

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 14/02/2018 09:50

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-murderer-crowned-prisons-miss-12022026

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/outrage-transgender-prisoner-living-woman-12022675

OP posts:
stitchglitched · 14/02/2018 15:25

Are women required to be nice to people who think it is fine to force captive women to shower with violent men then?

TeddyIsaHe · 14/02/2018 15:28

Bloody hell! I don’t think anyone here thinks that at all, but it’s getting ridiculous. If you don’t toe the line you’re shouted down constantly. I’m sick to death of very valid opinions being laughed at or belittled because they don’t line up with what you’re thinking. We are allowed to not agree, you don’t have to be an arsehole about it.

stitchglitched · 14/02/2018 15:32

I don't see why women are obliged to be nice to other women who are happy to throw them under a bus. I'm happy to be an arsehole to anyone who would defend this gross abuse of vulnerable women. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why this particular situation is acceptable, instead it's the usual shout and run.

HomeTerf · 14/02/2018 15:33

Downright nasty Teddy? Where??

The only nastiness I've seen on this thread is people saying they don't give a shit about women in prison. (I'm prepared to put 'I don't give a shit about anything that doesn't affect me' down to ignorance.)

Writersblock2 · 14/02/2018 15:40

The world has gone bonkers. Just when I think I can’t reach a higher peak trans moment, something else pops up. He’s a bloody bloke, ffs!

beluga425 · 14/02/2018 15:53

"downright nasty" Teddy did I miss something? are we reading different threads?

beluga425 · 14/02/2018 15:55

"the women believe in inclusiveness and equality"

but this is neither...

beluga425 · 14/02/2018 15:56

inclusive nor equal

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 14/02/2018 16:37

Teddy

"Downright nasty" was the be penised male to female "trans" aggressively trying to coerce my young, vulnerable, lesbian friend into having sex with a penis, and when she wouldn't, accusing her of being a bigot and threatening to expose her on social media as an evil transphobe.

Do you think this is ok???

Theglobe · 14/02/2018 16:57

And Teddy has her point validated......

If some of you can’t see that there is starting to be a backlash on MN to the aggressiveness towards others that don’t share your opinion then you must be blind.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 14/02/2018 17:03

The irony of your post being directly below mine Theglobe

So the women on this thread, making sensible points, asking questions, and pointing out real life experience are "aggressive"??
But the trans who tried to rape a young lesbian by coercion and threats is not??

The man in a dress who told me I was trans cos I shave my head and ride motorbikes, who told me I was a cunt and jealous for refusing to agree with being labelled as trans, for stating my biological and lived experience, who shouted at and abused me, he's fine is he?

Theglobe · 14/02/2018 17:08

Jesus Christ. You know what, crack on. AIBU and Chat will become echo chambers just like the FWR.

blackberryfairy · 14/02/2018 17:09

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Theglobe · 14/02/2018 17:11

Erm.....where exactly?

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 14/02/2018 17:16

Jesus Christ. You know what, crack on. AIBU and Chat will become echo chambers just like the FWR

Or ya know, you could answer some of my points?
Then it wouldn't be an echo chamber it would be a debate.

Can you actually directly reply to the points I just raised?

beluga425 · 14/02/2018 17:21

Theglobe I really don't understand at all how "Teddy has had her point validated."
Please explain.

LanaKanesTerfyVagina · 14/02/2018 17:26

I find the irony of accusing a space of being an echo chamber, when that space is actively engaged in trying to debate, rather hilarious tbh.

TheButterflyOfTheStorms · 14/02/2018 17:27

I would love to know, really actually love, not being snarky... do the posters who are pro-self-ID on here think:

  1. That there are no issues with women having to share a cell/shower with a transperson with a fully functional penis?
  1. That female prison officers should have to conduct intimate searches of transwomen, including genital areas (i.e. penises), or face disciplinary action and possible job loss?
  1. That a fully intact transwoman, taking no hormones, should be able to compete in sports events with women?

TIA.

beluga425 · 14/02/2018 17:28

I don't find this an echo chamber. I agree and disagree with a lot of the diverse points being made. I find it an interesting debate. If I didn't want to contribute I would go elsewhere.

DreamyMcDreamy · 14/02/2018 17:29

I find the irony of accusing a space of being an echo chamber, when that space is actively engaged in trying to debate, rather hilarious tbh.

Exactly, surely an echo chamber is the exact opposite of debate?!
The fact you can express both sides of an opinion on here without being blocked or shut down is the opposite of an echo chamber!
Twitter and some columnists on there that block opposing views as they don't want to hear it contributes to echo chambers, not here.

stitchglitched · 14/02/2018 17:31

I can guarantee that MN isn't an echo chamber on this particular issue, many people just don't realise that fully intact violent males are being placed in women's prisons because the idea is so ludricrous. When these stories are actually reported in the mainstream media however, the response is overwhelmingly against it happening.

beluga425 · 14/02/2018 17:32

I want to know if this prisoner (who has chosen a very a neutral name btw) identified as a female before being convicted of murder.

beluga425 · 14/02/2018 17:37

stitchglitched precisely. Until this thread I had NO idea that this was happening.

I was and am in full support of post op M to F going to a women's prison and was horrified at stories of people at real risk in men's prisons, but had no idea how much things had changed. It is totally bonkers.

noeffingidea · 14/02/2018 17:40

Cupofcake not when he committed the murder, he wasn't. He was a gay man. Was sentenced as a man.

liloland · 14/02/2018 17:43

Women make up around 5% of the overall prison population in the UK.

46% of women in prison report having suffered domestic violence.

53% of women in prison report having experienced emotional, physical or sexual abuse during childhood.

31% women in prison have spent time in local authority care as a child.

26% of all women in prison have no previous convictions.

Women serve prison sentences for minor offences; most women entering prison under sentence (84%) have committed a non-violent offence and theft offences accounted for nearly half (48%) of all custodial sentences given to women in 2016.

Most women entering prison serve short sentences. 70% of sentenced women entering prison in 2016 were serving six months or less.

Women account for a disproportionate amount of self-harm in prison; despite making up only 5% of the population women accounted for 21% of all incidents of self-harm in prison in the year to June 2016.

Women in custody are five times more likely to have a mental health concern than women in the general population.

46% of women in prison report having attempted suicide at some point in their lifetime. This is twice the rate of men (21%) and more than seven times higher than the general population.