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to think that Ian Huntley is most definitely not a woman?

525 replies

ATeardropExplodes · 28/12/2017 17:09

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/15/call-lian-child-killer-ian-huntley-has-told-inmates-call-feminine/

If anyone has any evidence to convince me otherwise please do enlighten me, thanks in advance.

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Lovesagin · 28/12/2017 18:04

Well surely anyone supporting the idea that a man can become a woman will be on board with it.

There's loads of mners who believe this, I'm sure they will be along soon.......

SmileEachDay · 28/12/2017 18:05

This is informative:

[[https://fairplayforwomen.com/prisons/3781-2 ]]

SimonBridges · 28/12/2017 18:06

If he were to be transferred to a female prison I can’t imagine he would last very long.

wherethevioletsgrow · 28/12/2017 18:10

I was asking whether anyone here thinks that Ian Huntley could ever be a woman. If you think yes then that's fine. Lets try to keep it on topic

OK, no I do not think he is a woman (and nor does he). I also do not believe it is possible to change biological sex and chromosomes so it is not possible for him to ever be female. I guess there is nothing to stop him living as a woman and obtaining a GRC should he wish (as has been the case for 13 years in this country). However, a GRC does not automatically entitle him to be moved to a women's prison and this won't change with the reforms.

Is this thread really any different to the one started by BertrandRussell yesterday? I really don't think anyone on Mumsnet believes that anyone can change chromosomes so I don't see the point of asking repeatedly. But yes, people can legally be recognised as a chosen gender.

SilverySurfer · 28/12/2017 18:11

Jaxhog
This is a perfect example of why it is such dangerous nonsense to allow people to self certify their gender.

If this goes ahead, I plan to self certify as a Penguin.

Absolutely agree.

I plan on self certifying as an orangutan.

Andrewofgg · 28/12/2017 18:13

He's been assaulted and badly injured in a male prison!

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:16

Nope. He's not a woman. He should not be in a women's prison, his crime should not be recorded as having been committed by a woman. He's a man.

Lovesagin · 28/12/2017 18:18

Violet unless I'm mistaken under the new reforms a man can self identify as a woman and that will be it, that's the point of the reforms, to make it easier for trans identified people, and if Ian Huntley says he is a woman under the reforms it will be a hate crime to deny this.

PeanutButterCheesecake · 28/12/2017 18:20

I'm going to declare myself a chocolate mousse. I'm going to sit on the shelf in Sainsbury's until someone buys me, and all those who don't are going to be arrested for transdessertphobism.

Oh no actually, I'm not, because claiming to be something I quite clearly am not is RIDICULOUS. He is a man, well he's a human male at least. Probably better to rename himself Skanky Little Twat.

labazs · 28/12/2017 18:21

well if it will help him be a woman i am quite happy to chop off his watsits with a rusty knife

wherethevioletsgrow · 28/12/2017 18:25

Violet unless I'm mistaken under the new reforms a man can self identify as a woman and that will be it, that's the point of the reforms, to make it easier for trans identified people, and if Ian Huntley says he is a woman under the reforms it will be a hate crime to deny this

No, the reforms will mean that in order to get a GRC, a person will not need to get approval of a doctor (as is the current position). So it will be easier to obtain a GRC, but many trans people do not bother getting a GRC in any event.

There are already protections in place under the Equality Act which prevent discrimination of trans people. It is not a 'hate crime' to say that someone was born male and I have not read any legislative proposals to say it will be. This will not change with the reforms.

Getting a GRC does not entitle a prisoner to be moved to a female prison. It will be considered on a case by case basis. I have explained upthread that the position in Scotland is already more relaxed than the post-reform English one will be, yet we do not have reports of violent males flooding into female prisons there.

JAPAB · 28/12/2017 18:25

to think that Ian Huntley is most definitely not a woman?

Depends on your reasons. If you think the way someone acts or dresses precludes them from being a man or a woman then probably.

Lovesagin · 28/12/2017 18:32

I clearly said it would be a hate crime to deny he is a woman if he said he is. Which as I say from what I've heard would be the case but I'm glad to hear I'm wrong

PortlyWino · 28/12/2017 18:34

I think the world has gone quite mad that we should be here discussing it. These murderers should be locked up and fucking forgotten. The attention is what they want.

Elendon · 28/12/2017 18:36

How does a man act and dress? JAPAB

Tillymintsmama · 28/12/2017 18:37

I really thought he'd committed suicide!

Elendon · 28/12/2017 18:41

It is a hate crime to deny him being a woman. If that's what he wants.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5074379/Ian-Huntley-boasts-free-three-years.html

Is the latest article I can find via google.

From the article:
'Earlier this year it was reported Huntley had asked fellow prisoners to refer to him by a female name inside the all-male prison.

Huntley allegedly signed off a newspaper cutting for a friend with the name 'Lian'.

The revelation comes after it was claimed last month the 43-year-old wanted a sex change so he could spend his life term in a female prison.'

I can't find any that refutes this.

TheOtherGirl · 28/12/2017 18:42

I'm really pleased to hear he has been seriously assaulted several times whilst in prison. Ideally, it should happen to him on a daily basis.

ATeardropExplodes · 28/12/2017 18:43

These murderers should be locked up and fucking forgotten

What about rapists that are being reported and recorded as women when they raped people with their penises fully intact? Should we consider them women and put them into female prisons?

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ATeardropExplodes · 28/12/2017 18:44

Depends on your reasons.

My reason is that he is a man. He will never be a woman.

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JAPAB · 28/12/2017 18:54

My reason is that he is a man. He will never be a woman.

Why single out Ian Huntley? I could be inferring incorrectly, but it seems to me that she is being singled out because she especially is not a woman. Which is what made me think that it was a behaviour/dress thing.

Elendon · 28/12/2017 18:56

fairplayforwomen.com/prisons/misgendering-double-rapist

This is about Martin Pointing who was jailed for the brutal rapes of two young girls in 1995. He transitioned as a woman and is now Jessica Winfield. He was moved to a female prison. Apparently he was making sexual advances towards the other women there. He has since been moved. Apparently he has been abused verbally and is misunderstood. He is 50. Other transgender prisoners (don't know if this includes Huntley) are said to be also very distressed at the verbal abuse they get. Bless.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-rapist-womens-prison-segregation-sexual-advances-inmates-sexual-assualt-a7932866.html

Elendon · 28/12/2017 18:57

@JAPAB Could you tell me what makes a man a man?

Lovesagin · 28/12/2017 18:57

I think it's more of a born male = man thing tbh

"she especially is not a woman" - actually snorted at that

SimonBridges · 28/12/2017 18:59

Depends on your reasons.

My reason for thinking he is not a woman is that he has a penis and testicules.

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