to think that Ian Huntley is most definitely not a woman?

[ATeardropExplodes]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/15/call-lian-child-killer-ian-huntley-has-told-inmates-call-feminine/

If anyone has any evidence to convince me otherwise please do enlighten me, thanks in advance.

Objective fact? What? You mean like woman = adult female?

That isn't an objective fact.

Drat! I thought your ego might feel the need to point out why, thus giving us your definition.

Nice to know you really do think I am quite that stupid, though

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/sep/09/women-business-and-the-law-2016-getting-to-equal-world-bank-report

Isn't it funny how there aren't any transactivists insisting that they are real women in countries such as these?

@JAPAB - 'you are on a sticky wicket if you conflate social/institutional facts with objective facts'

You mean like objective facts that 'Women' are adult female humans and social/institutional facts that gender is a made-up construct. Yup. Glad you agree with us.

I’d be giving him a pair of secateurs and telling him he can swap to a women’s prison if he lops his own dick off.

And Lily Madigan is not a woman. He is a rather dim teenage boy who has as much experience of being female as I have of being a caterpillar 🐛

SmileEachDay sorry but I am not sure why you are addressing that article to me? The writer describes having some of the bodily experiences that people with an XX chromosome often have.And it describes the way people with that chromosome can be mis-treated by others. So this lets someone know that they have a particular type of body with certain functions, and/or that they live in a society where people with that type of body may be treated in bad ways. Well, no dispute here that such things let someone know such things.

And that’s why it’s pointless talking to you.

You must have stopped reading immediately after the part you quoted. Reading the next sentence might have prevented this incorrect (and rather odd) inference.

You said that the writer quoted was talking about 'bodily experiences' when she talked about rape, abuse, pregnancy and childbirth. To say that any of those things, of which pregnancy and childbirth can only be experienced by woman, are simply 'bodily experiences' is insulting.

I read and agreed with every single word she wrote. You seem to have chosen to ignore her writing.

Anyway, JAPAB, as we know you can see me - ANSWER THE QUESTION. Go on, I dare you.

SimonBridges You said that the writer quoted was talking about 'bodily experiences' when she talked about rape, abuse, pregnancy and childbirth.

I said that she described bodily experiences and also described mis-treatment and being treated in bad ways, by others. You probably should have assumed that the periods and pregnancy were being referred to in first case, the abuse and rape referred to in the other. There is no universe in which your comment "It’s ok girls. Rape is simply a bodily experience." was warranted.

I read and agreed with every single word she wrote. You seem to have chosen to ignore her writing.

Disagreeing with someone's conclusions is not ignoring is it? Having a period is having a period. It tells you that you have a body that has periods. You are free to want to link this experience to the notion of being a woman, but the next person is not obligated to agree that this experience "tells" you that you are a woman. That it "tells" you anything more than you have a certain type of body. One that has periods. And l I am sure female tran-allies and trans men would agree with this point.

CuriousaboutSamphire Nice to know you really do think I am quite that stupid, though

On thec contrary, I thought you were making a serious assertion that that was an objective fact, hence my disagreement. But it seems that you did not mean it and it was intended as a trap of some kind. Well, you got me there :)

but the next person is not obligated to agree that this experience "tells" you that you are a woman. That it "tells" you anything more than you have a certain type of body. One that has periods.

Yes, female bodies have periods. Male ones do not. What about this is so hard for you to understand?

you have a certain type of body. One that has periods

Yes just that type of random ovary having, uterus having, period having body. Totally no connection at all to being a woman despite applying to 99.9% of us and to no biological males.

Yes, JAPAB having a certain type of body, female type body known for millennia without any confusion as a woman.

Species/ subspecies etc have been renamed when new facts were discovered that meant that we could see that they had been wrongly classified initially - no new findings have been made about women/ females or men/males to warrant any redefintion - the trans agenda is to unfind scientific fact to deny this biology.As Datun said I think, Is this OK with you? That a small minority of people try to redefine a word that perfectly and effortlessly and eloquently describes billions of women (adult human females) because a vocal minority want to ignore and erase facts to asuage their inability to reconcile emotionally with material facts. Why on earth should this minoirity suceed in this attempt? What would the just world stand to gain from this bizarre turn away from logic and science and toward mythology?

And why are you so keen on arguing the toss about this subject? Would you argue so persistently in support of a few white people deciding that black people should no longer call themselves black because .... insert nonsensical, unscientific XZY feelz/ delusions?

There is no universe in which your comment "It’s ok girls. Rape is simply a bodily experience." was warranted.

And in no universe is you repeatedly refusing to answer one question warranted.

Disagreeing with someone's conclusions is not ignoring is it? Having a period is having a period. It tells you that you have a body that has periods. You are free to want to link this experience to the notion of being a woman, but the next person is not obligated to agree that this experience "tells" you that you are a woman.

Of course having a period tells you you are a woman. It is something that is only experienced by women and has been used throughout the ages to subjugate women.
Have you ever had a period? It’s not a simple bodily process like having a shit you know.

Oh and being a woman is not ‘a notion’. It’s not some idea we have got in our silly little heads.

Transwomen are not women. They are men who claim to identify as women.

However, no one can give a definition of what a woman is if it is not 'an adult, human female'. I've seen this question asked time and time again and it never gets an answer other than 'anyone who identifies as a woman', which is entirely circular and illogical.

I just want one person to tell me, just once, if a woman is not an adult human female, then what is it? But no one ever answers that question because there is no answer other than adult human female.

Jesus, are folk still letting Jibjab constantly derail threads concerning women so that he’s always the centre of attention? Ach well, carry on and enjoy.

A women is born with a vagina. She can give birth and feed a baby. Men can’t.

That’s the difference.

Huntley is a sad pathetic evil bastard who has a cock. He’s male born but an insult to the term man. He’s a devil.

He should have hung for his crimes in my opinion. I hope he dies soon.

A man can push sperm out of a cock. Women can’t.

You can identify as you like snd that’s fine but don’t try to join the other sex.

You can’t and you shouldn’t.

Ian Huntley is a psychopathic paedophilic murderer. That is all.

His attempts to demand to be called 'Lian' rather than 'Ian' are just him trying to assert control.

He is a manipulative, dangerous creature and I don't doubt he knows exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it.

I'd guess it's a combination of power over authorities, instilling fear into female prisoners as well as him hoping for some financial from any lawsuits he raises for a breach of his 'human rights'.

Burn it.

Let's keep our thoughts with the families of the two young girls who's lives he took.

i just read this on Twitter - not mine but I thought it bore repeating here

"Concepts of gender are for the privileged. In the real world no one gives a fuck about your 'gender', it is your biological sex that influences how we move through the world."

It's so true. Girls being sold to brothels in India, female babies being aborted or killed in China, girls raped by Boko Harem - they don't have the privilege of 'gender' - they are oppressed and harmed because of their biological sex and sadly can't just identify their way out of it.

His attempts to demand to be called 'Lian' rather than 'Ian' are just him trying to assert control.

I agree. But in my experience that's true of many people asserting the primacy of their "gender identity" rather than their sex. This is why we need the gatekeeping. To stop malicious people using it as an abusive tool to control others.

“agree. But in my experience that's true of many people asserting the primacy of their "gender identity" rather than their sex. This is why we need the gatekeeping. To stop malicious people using it as an abusive tool to control others.“

I think this is the case for most of the stroppy kids pushing identity politics. It’s all about control and sticking it to the oldies.

catgirl

Exactly so.

Why isn’t that bastard Huntley dead?

Better thread

Better thread

Different thread completely. Feel free to start your own.

This is about the very real possibility of IH being allowed to legally move to a female prison should a new law be passed. Not about revenge.

Quite. This isn’t about IH as such. It’s about the possibility of any male prisoner sticking on a frock, calling themselves Sarah and announcing they want to be moved to a female prison. (Despite the best efforts of a certain someone to derail the thread)