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About not splitting the bill?

207 replies

TattiusTeddius · 23/11/2017 23:04

At work we are about to merge teams with a group of about 10 people who work for the same organisation but in a different building and do a very similar job to us. The team managers organised a Christmas night out tonight to get to know each other a bit better. They picked a place that wasn’t too expensive for a meal, and we put in pre-orders and paid £10 deposit per head.

I only ordered a main as I wasn’t crazy about any of the starters or desserts, and so did a few colleagues from my team. Mine was £10.50 so I was only supposed to owe 50p tonight plus whatever drinks I’d buy.

It was established at the beginning that everyone would order and pay for their own drinks at the bar as some people were drinking and some weren’t. Some people (mostly from the other team) had pre-ordered 3 courses, which would be around the £35/£40 Mark in total.

We all had a lovely night and made the effort to mix with each other, everyone seems to get along well. However When the bill came, one (of the better paid) members of the other team took charge and calculated that because the food bill was £216 we owed £13.50 each.

I was Hmm, as I should have only owed 50p, I was going to put £3 in to cover that and a tip. 2 of my younger colleagues, who are on less money than me, looked a bit annoyed as well. One is on minimum wage and the other has just had a baby so I know that they could do with the money. One of them was technically owed 50p as her main was only £9.50 and she ordered nothing else.

Anyway I spoke up and said that I think it’s only fair for me and the 2 colleagues to put in what we owe as we only had one course each. The ‘organiser’ from the other team argued the toss, saying that she thought we were splitting the bill evenly and that we should have made it clear at the start of the meal if we only wanted to pay for our own. I said I didn’t think I should have to point that out when there’s a £25 difference in what some people are ordering (she had 3 courses BTW). I stood my ground and we and a couple of others paid for our own, everyone else split between them (it went up to £18 each when split). The 2 younger colleagues thanked me quietly afterwards btw!

The manager from the other team has text my manager after the meal saying that it’s ‘unspirited and unsharing’ to insist on paying for our own meals and that’s not how they do it in their team. She made a joke about us being skinflints, but I do think it was just a joke. She basically doesn’t think it bodes well if we have an ‘every man for themself attitude’. My manager is on our side, she wanted me to know about the messages to give me a heads up in case they bring it up with me but she’s going to reply tomorrow fighting our corner.

WIBU or do they have a point? It’s gonna be awful when we merge isn’t it?

OP posts:
JingsMahBucket · 24/11/2017 00:26

YANBU.

I wonder if the other team were told they were just going to split everything versus your team being told to pay individually? That definitely be the first test of merging teams.

FeelingAggrieved · 24/11/2017 00:27

I was going to say YABU for the sake of £3 but YADNBU for £13! Good on you for standing your ground. I hate hearing about these situations.

CheapSausagesAndSpam · 24/11/2017 00:35

How can people be so dimwitted and selfish?? Why the fuck should people pay for other's gluttony?

I well remember the anxiety as I young student having a lunch with some rich kids...when one of them said "Oh we'll just split it ya?"

They'd been guzzling wine by the bottle whilst I'd had salad and water!

Luckily a more sensitive person said "No! Some of us haven't been knocking back wine by the bottle or eating the most expensive things...and we're not well off!"

CheapSausagesAndSpam · 24/11/2017 00:41

Agree that some people have NO idea about what it's like to be on a budget.

I remember when DD's were babies and I was SO poor. Met a mate for lunch and she said "Oh I forgot to get cash...can you cover me and I'll pay you back"

It was a tiny church cafe who had no card machine...I did pay for her but that cash was all I had for the week!

Afterwards we walked around the shops for a while and then it came time for her to go and she was about to leave and I had to ask her to get me the cash out.

I was so embarrased and she was a bit nonplussed...but shit! That twenty quid was all I had for three days! I bloody needed it back.

Happydoingitjusttheonce · 24/11/2017 06:21

Paying what you owed was the fairest thing but this is really about the teams merging isn’t it

Petalflowers · 24/11/2017 06:28

Paying £3 more - not worth the hassle.

Paying £13 more - definantly worth complain8ng

VelvetKK · 24/11/2017 06:38

YANBU

I don't think it was even necessary for it to be clear from the start whether the food bill was being split or not. The only difference that may have made would be that the greedy ones might not have stuffed their faces so much if they realised they'd be picking up their own bill that night!

It is absolutely outrageous to say that you asking to pay for your own is unspirited or whatever nonsense they spouted. It worries me that the manager seems to think it is within the spirit of the team for some people to get a free ride while others have to subsidise it.

lalliella · 24/11/2017 10:00

I would much prefer to pay for my own. Then if I want expensive food and lots to drink I can without feeling guilty. It miffs me slightly when the bill is split drinkers / non-drinkers as I rarely have a pudding and think I’m subsidising the pudding-guzzlers but that doesn’t seem worth making a fuss over. Definitely make a fuss over £13.50 though. YANBU OP

tinysparklyshoes · 24/11/2017 10:04

YANBU. I'm a splitter normally but this is ridiculous.

It sounds very badly organised though, tbh, as the situation should never have arisen.

tinysparklyshoes · 24/11/2017 10:06

How can people be so dimwitted and selfish?? Why the fuck should people pay for other's gluttony?

There is no need for this. Yes, they were in the wrong, but eating a normal amount of food is not gluttony and its really offensive to say it is.

and very hard for people with eating disorders to hear,actually. Sad

Rebeccaslicker · 24/11/2017 10:09

As it was work, and you don't really know all these people, YANBU - it would be different with mates.

The line's different for everyone though. Personally I wouldn't protest about £3 or £13 - but £33 for a new team at work might crack me!

Kickassname · 24/11/2017 10:29

I know this may come across the wrong way but a 3 course meal, unless tiny portions, is excessive eating. Which is technically the definition of gluttony. It's perfectly fine to indulge like this occasionally, we all do it okay, this isn't an attack. But it's a personal choice and other people shouldn't have to subsidise that choice.

So YANBU op.

tinysparklyshoes · 24/11/2017 10:33

I know this may come across the wrong way but a 3 course meal, unless tiny portions, is excessive eating. Which is technically the definition of gluttony. It's perfectly fine to indulge like this occasionally, we all do it okay, this isn't an attack

A three course meal in a restaurant for a celebration is not at all excessive eating. In fact for many cultures its a perfectly normal dinner every day of the week. It is NOT gluttony, which is a rude word that is used as a personal attack.

As I said, OP is right to not pay a set share. But a normal restaurant meal is not gluttony and that is a horrible word to say about people.

CheapSausagesAndSpam · 24/11/2017 10:36

I do think it gluttony to eat "a starter" a meal and then a pudding.

It's too much food in one go and when you mention other cultures, it's not comparible to the way it's done in the UK.

I lived in Italy for example where one course consisted of a small salad....people would take ages over that...then some meat or a piece of fish would come along. A small plate of pasta much later.

Fruit was usually on the table but not everyone ate it.

In th UK (and Australia where I now live) people will sit and devour silly portions of food....starters often look like main courses ffs.

SwimmingInLemonade · 24/11/2017 10:38

Even if it HAD only been £3, I think you need to speak up just for the principle of it. £3 might be quite a lot for some people and it's weird that so many people on this thread don't get that Hmm

Definitely "jokily" call her a freeloader!

TheMogget · 24/11/2017 10:39

YANBU. You split the bill when everyone has spent roughly the same. If there are massive discrepancies between how much each peoples meals are then clearly everyone should pay for their own.
I find the people who are happy to order 3 courses/ steak etc and expect others to subsidise them incredibly rude.

Serialweightwatcher · 24/11/2017 10:40

I understood your OP and realised you meant you were paying £13 extra when you should be paying 50p extra .. I think you were right to say something and I don't think it's fair when people order the entire menu and lots of alcohol that they expect others to pay for it and make you feel bad for standing your ground. You were right and they're unfair - I am liking the calling her a freeloader Grin

dustarr73 · 24/11/2017 10:43

The other manager didn't like being pulled up.Thats why they sent the text.

I'm a splitter normally but you where dead right to stand your ground.

Ttbb · 24/11/2017 10:45

If this was a work organised dinner then your employer should have paid tbf.

tinysparklyshoes · 24/11/2017 10:45

In th UK (and Australia where I now live) people will sit and devour silly portions of food....starters often look like main courses ffs

Just because you go to horrible places that over feed do not assume everyone else does.
3 properly sized courses are NOT gluttony, and you are very rude.

Trinity66 · 24/11/2017 10:46

Yeah I mean you were right but to be honest I'd feel like a right dick making such a big deal over £3

ineedwine99 · 24/11/2017 10:48

I'm with you OP, not fair that those who have less have to sub those who have more/something more expensive.
Glad your manager is backing you up

YoloSwaggins · 24/11/2017 10:48

An average sized 3 course meal in a UK restaurant IS gluttony, stop being so offended jfc.

tinysparklyshoes · 24/11/2017 10:49

No it isn't and no I won't.

nearly250parkuns · 24/11/2017 10:52

There are a lot of restaurants in the UK who serve 3 course meals that leave you comfortably full when you leave, not stuffed. The portion sizes are small and are about quality not quantity.

I wish my workplace paid for our meals out. There is a Christmas party once a year in the evening, but team lunches etc are on a self-funded basis. So it's important that you are absolutely clear on who's paying for what and how much tip is expected. When we go out, we pay for drinks separately.