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To tell her she’ll have to pay if she wants her other son to come?

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MadameJosephine · 20/10/2017 18:53

Took invitations for DD’s birthday party into school this morning and the very first RSVP text has asked if they can bring a sibling. The cost of the party is £13 a head so my feeling is that if he wants to come she’ll have to pay for him.

Can any of you clever mumsnetters help me word a reply please? Bear in mind this mum is a TA at DDs school so I certainly don’t want to piss her off

OP posts:
innerfoundpeas · 21/10/2017 13:53

All this does depend on age but with reception children, I would expect to drop and go - and did - DS was fine. I always stayed at nursery but not since school. However, OP your reply sounded polite and I can understand why you didn't want to rock the boat. To a PP, not sure why she might be more useful because she's a TA? Is she being paid to be a helper?!

sleeponeday · 21/10/2017 13:59

I always assume siblings need to come, and I don't think it's rude to ask as long as the asker is willing to pay childcare. (And no, I don't ask, because I am lucky enough not to need to.)

I'd far rather the party guests can come than have anyone duck out because of childcare problems. And reception aged kids are still small. I wouldn't want sole charge of 20 of them. If this one is a TA, then she'll hopefully be handy with the crowd control!

sleeponeday · 21/10/2017 14:00

Sorry, pay costs, not childcare (obviously).

sleeponeday · 21/10/2017 14:01

not sure why she might be more useful because she's a TA? Is she being paid to be a helper?!

The kids will know she's one of their teachers. Amazing how that can rein in behaviour, just by having her present.

PugwallsSummer · 21/10/2017 14:01

I had this and just replied:

"of course, he's more than welcome to join us - You'll just need to pay his entry on the door as normal"

Didn't seem to cause offence, she brought him and paid for him, everyone was happy. 2 others brought siblings too, without contacting me, but both paid for their entry. I don't think anyone would expect for you to pay, they're just asking to check it's ok for them to be there.

FantasticButtocks · 21/10/2017 14:01

"Hi, glad can come. To the extra request though I'm going to say no, as the numbers invited are all I can manage, I'm sure you understand. Look forward to seeing

2014newme · 21/10/2017 14:02

There are tonnes of Tasks at my dds school she only know the ones she's had in her class she would not know TAs from other classes.

flumpybear · 21/10/2017 14:02

If I ever ask I always say I’m bringing my son or daughter but will pay on the door and sort their own food

sleeponeday · 21/10/2017 14:05

There are tonnes of Tasks at my dds school she only know the ones she's had in her class she would not know TAs from other classes.

Yeah, I suppose this depends on how big the school is. At my son's old schools, everyone knew everyone. Having said that, if the OP knows this mother is a TA at the school, and her child is in Reception, then presumably the children may?

Areyoufree · 21/10/2017 14:19

This thread is killing me. I would (and have) asked about siblings going to a party (although would always offer to pay). I expect to stay at a Reception party. I would also stay at a year 1 party. Mainly because I think it's a bit much for the hosts to have to deal with all of the kids alone! But apparently, I have got this all wrong. Where do we learn the rules for this stuff???

ChocolateWombat · 21/10/2017 14:23

It depends.
Are you happy with siblings being there? If you would quite simply prefer it was all kids of the same age, simply reply with
'Sorry but we are party to Reception age kids'
If you don't mind younger ones, a reply like
'You are welcome to bring X too. We have paid for the invited children and I think the Centre charges £X for extras - please can you contact them direct to make the extra booking'
OR
'We are happy for X to come too, but as this is a party which we have booked on a pay per-head basis, hope you'll understand that you will need to pay for X. You can pay on the door/in advance...'

I think it's perfectly reasonable to politely say no siblings or siblings must be paid for. It would be usual for the person asking to bring a sibling to offer to pay too - sometimes the price is for the whole place and there would be no need for them to pay, but it would be politeness on their part to at least offer and certainly not to expect the host to incur extra cost.

AppleTrayBake · 21/10/2017 14:33

If the parent needs to stay, then it's not rude to ask, but don't be offended when told no. And I obviously would never ask if I wasn't staying, that is ridiculous!

But I think it depends on a lot of factors. How do you stop a 3yo trying to join in with a party their 5yo sibling is at?? It's a tantrum waiting to happen.

Soft play is easy. You pay and don't go in party room.

But if it's at someone's house or a hall it becomes quite difficult.

My DD has only just started school and sibling has always been invited to all parties.

Me personally I'd either say 'no siblings' if it doesn't suit or include them as part of the party. I could never leave a child sitting at the side and begrudge them a cheese sandwich.

It's only really Reception (not inc SN) when parents need to stay, so it's not like it'll be going on for years.

ChocolateWombat · 21/10/2017 14:48

There are all kinds of issues at play here - the cost, the asking to bring a sibling, who pays, public venue issues, childcare issues....

In the end, these kind of things work if everyone is considerate of everyone else, and assumptions are not made or left unsaid.

As a reception party, many of the kids will have little siblings, and if parents are staying at the party, childcare for siblings can be an issue. The OP needs to be aware of this, but whether she and birthday child is happy for toddlers to be there too is up to them. They might choose to be flexible and open to all (who pay for siblings) or as it is their event, to say they would prefer no siblings.
If the latter option is chosen, the parents with younger siblings may have a dilemma - send child and sort out childcare or not send child if they can't be left alone and no childcare is available. Sometimes children with younger siblings do have to miss out, because parents can't sort the arrangements for everyone - it's just a fact. This doesn't mean the host is obliged to accept siblings if they don't want to - it is up to the invited parents to decide how to manage the situation - sometimes having more than one child or different ages means sacrifices have to be made and the sooner they realise that and that often the sacrifices have to be theirs, rather than on the part of the hosts the better. The host shouldn't have to accommodate all the siblings if they prefer not to and if they choose not to, they are not responsible if the parent then chooses to decline the invitation- the host cannot be responsible for making sure everyone's domestic arrangements all work out - they have invited an individual child for a treat, which is great in itself and if they cannot go any further or don't wants to, that fine and needs to be accepted by the invited family. As a parent receiving an invitation, I think we all need to be grateful for the invitation as it stands and be willing to accept or decline it as it stands and not to have expectations of extras - yes, ask politely and clarifying that you will pay and feed any siblings if you really cannot manage childcare (and this doesn't include asking if siblings can come simply because you think they would enjoy it) but be very willing to receive a 'no' and to accept it cheerily, because the party needs to be to suit the hosts and not the family arrangements of all the guest.

Regarding public venues and whether parents should ask if they bring a sibling or just state that they will be bringing them - well, even though it's a public venues I still think it's polite to ask. The presence of siblings even if they are paid for by the parents does change the dynamic of the event. The siblings never totally remain separate from the party. At food time or party bag time, or just during activities, they will often come and interact and it's almost impossible to prevent this happening - so for these reasons it's polite to ask, even if in reality the host cannot prevent anyone attending a public venue. When asking, it would also be good to be clear that you would be paying for own child and have no expectation of food etc....because a lack of clarity on these things causes stress for the host, as this thread shows. There are numerous threads on MN where mums who are offering a lovely treet for invited children worry about how many they will need to feed or pay for or give party bags to, because of the sibling factor and primarily because of a lack of clarity when someone asks to bring a sibling.

Personally, I would reply with a cheery 'they are welcome' but also be clear that they will need to pay on the door and sort their own food - it's perfectly possible to do all this cheerily and politely and there really is no reason why anyone should or could feel offended.

And move onto parties where parents simply drop and leave ASAP to avoid some of these kind of issues.

CountessDraculaofGroantham · 21/10/2017 15:05

In my early days of party throwing I had three siblings sit themselves down at the party table and tuck in. My own younger daughter and a couple of others didn’t have anywhere to sit and we had to ask for extra for them. I was a wimp. Nowadays I’d tell them to feck right off.

ChocolateWombat · 21/10/2017 15:55

Agree siblings are difficult. Little ones especially will just sit down and tuck in...and it's very hard to explain to them that they can't. At the least it often creates a bit of a scene and this makes the host feel a bit bad - which they really shouldn't need to feel. Those asking for their siblings to come too should recognise this is a reality of bringing siblings and that managing them without this kind of thing happening is practically impossible.
What I s suspect many of those who ask to bring siblings hope, is that actually their younger ones WILL be able to join in once there - that they will be take pity on and asked to have some food or given a party bag or to join in the event itself. Unless it's an event where there are no per head charges and where there is such unlimited food and seats and party bags (and I'm not sure this can ever be the case) I think it's a bit unreasonable to put the host in the position of feeling a bit bad about asking a 3 year old to vacate their seat so an invited guest can sit down, or worse still as previous poster just said, feeling they can't say something, so don't and actually invited children go without.

It's why I would really go out of my way to find a way for my child's siblings to NOT come and actually only ask if they could if the host also had children of that younger age too. Otherwise, I might just accept that on this occasion my older child couldn't attend because we couldn't make the logistics work. My problem and not the hosts and I would prefer that rather than to impose the younger sibling with all the issues that can't be avoided. If it was a party where an extra 3 year old really could be accommodated at NO to rouble or impact on the others, then I would ask...but I would recognise most parties wouldn't fit into that category.

Evelynismyspyname · 21/10/2017 16:21

All this is generally avoided by inviting a few families to celebrate with you when children are too young to be left, and switching to drop and run for a small number of your child's actual friends once they are old enough.

There is sometimes cheek on both sides. Yes, it's very cheeky to put a host in an awkward position by asking to bring siblings to a party.

However it's also cheeky to throw your child a party and require the guest's parent to find child care for their other children in order to help you run the party. If you're hosting, don't invite more children than you are planning to provide supervision for - otherwise you aren't hosting, you're asking other people to put themselves out so that your child can have a party with guests supervised by their own parents.

People get very upset when hardly anyone turns up to their child's party, but it's a minefield if you as an invitee's parent are led to believe you will be judged harshly for not staying at the party, but also judged harshly for bringing your other child/ten. You can see why people just think the easiest thing is to save the cost of a present, the hassle of getting there, and the inevitable branding as a cheeky fucker, and just turn invitations down!

That is why I think you have to (as host) be able to either offer the guest's parents the option to pay their other children's entry fee and bring them (or simply bring them if it's at home) or encourage them to drop and run. Otherwise there is a high risk of very low turn out and an upset birthday child.

sleeponeday · 22/10/2017 17:28

This thread is killing me. I would (and have) asked about siblings going to a party (although would always offer to pay). I expect to stay at a Reception party. I would also stay at a year 1 party. Mainly because I think it's a bit much for the hosts to have to deal with all of the kids alone! But apparently, I have got this all wrong. Where do we learn the rules for this stuff???

You haven't got this all wrong. Opinions vary, and I always expect smaller siblings, if close in age, to be brought along. I even assume extra party bags will be needed and allow for more food.

I only mind with the sort of parents who literally assume they can send all three kids along with the dad so they can have a nice little rest. One mum I know is notorious for that. That is cheeky. Not having an alternative, and not assuming provision, is not. At all.

My two are 6 years apart in age, incidentally, so this doesn't affect me. I just think a little goodwill goes a long way.

MadameJosephine · 22/10/2017 17:47

Still haven’t heard anything back from her after sending what I thought was a reasonable reply. I hope I haven’t put my foot in it Sad

OP posts:
pingu73 · 22/10/2017 17:49

Just say yes that’s fine it’s £13 a head is that going to be ok for you??
If so you will need to pay the venue on the day

Simples

sleeponeday · 22/10/2017 17:53

Your answer was totally reasonable, OP. Polite, understanding, but left no room for confusion or crossed wires.

She probably thinks you agreed to her request, so no need to reply, maybe?

Smiler63 · 22/10/2017 18:04

So if one sibling is invited , everyone else might like to also bring a sibling ??

Smiler63 · 22/10/2017 18:07

Maybe everyone else would also like to bring a sibling ?

Tinkerbell1016 · 22/10/2017 18:09

If one of my DD have been invited to a party and duets child care problems I have to take the other one with me I always make sure I take ipod/kindle to keep them occupied and a packed lunch for them to eat

WhyWouldYouThinkThat · 22/10/2017 18:11

OP, your reply is good. It's polite and clear.

Someonessnackbitch · 22/10/2017 18:23

It depends what type of party it is. Obviously in this case it’s quite a lot per child. It’s very difficult for me to take my children to parties without siblings. My partner works and I have no one to care for children. But unless I know the family very well I will not bring siblings. At my daughters recent birthday party a mother brought along her 5 children but asked them to sit down with her and not get involved. I empathised with her struggle and of course invited the others to join in. My daughter has now been invited to a few birthday parties at her new school and all have said ‘please no siblings’ I think it is important to have this on invites!

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