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Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/09/2017 01:20

My bet is on nothing.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3024189-In-the-dim-corner-we-have-Trump-In-the-dictator-corner-we-have-Kim-Or-is-that-mixed-up

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cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 17:08

It seems they're not alone, though. A Beast piece.

Volunteer pilots

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/09/2017 17:17

That sounds really interesting perking, I missed that. Will iplayer it this weekend

PerkingFaintly · 29/09/2017 17:52

It's a two-parter, Pain, and annoyingly part 1 is now out of time. But part 2 still well worth watching. It's produced by the Open University.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/09/2017 18:07

Will give it a whirl!

I found this very powerful. It’s by the same author of “the first white president”

www.theguardian.com/news/2017/sep/29/we-should-have-seen-trump-coming?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

We should have seen Trump coming

An extract:

Any fair consideration of the depth and width of enslavement tempts insanity. First conjure the crime – the generational destruction of human bodies – and all of its related offences – domestic terrorism, poll taxes, mass incarceration. But then try to imagine being an individual born among the remnants of that crime, among the wronged, among the plundered, and feeling the gravity of that crime all around and seeing it in the sideways glances of the perpetrators of that crime and overhearing it in their whispers and watching these people, at best, denying their power to address the crime and, at worst, denying that any crime had occurred at all, even as their entire lives revolve around the fact of a robbery so large that it is written in our very names. This is not a thought experiment. America is literally unimaginable without plundered labour shackled to plundered land, without the organising principle of whiteness as citizenship, without the culture crafted by the plundered, and without that culture itself being plundered.

cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 18:11

Ouch.

PerkingFaintly · 29/09/2017 19:38

Time for a new thread?

I'm the world's worst title-writer, so shall leave it someone more talented.

Lweji · 29/09/2017 20:02

I can't imagine ever seeing Trump getting together with other former Presidents as a former President, as these do.
He'll either want to go alone or will try to steal an imaginary limelight.

Fekko · 29/09/2017 20:30

'Hope he's gone by page 4'?

lionheart · 29/09/2017 21:28

He's on the tarmac and talking to the press. Definitely going to need a new thread. It's deranged.

cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 21:30

'It's'??

lionheart · 29/09/2017 21:37

thehill.com/latino/353151-dems-ask-for-emergency-oversight-hearing-on-trumps-hurricane-response

Exhibit A: "The loss of life, it's always tragic. But it's been incredible. The results that we've had with respect to loss of life."

Exhibit B: “People can’t believe how successful" we've been with loss of life results in Puerto Rico, Pres. Trump says.

Exhibit C:
President Trump on Puerto Rico relief efforts: "This is an island. Surrounded by water. Big water. Ocean water."

And then there is this:

Jennifer Bendery‏Verified account
@jbendery

WOW. San Juan mayor: "I am going to do what I never thought I would do. I am begging, begging anyone who can hear us to save us from dying."

cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 21:48

He's not feeling warm to them. Firstly, because he ......just doesn't. Secondly because the process of regelation would remove the perceived obstacles to PR statehood (I think he reckons they have a ......motive here.) Thirdly because the very large amount of $$$$ would likely screw up his tax proposals.

Or a bit of each. Wink

cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 21:49

Sorry. regeneration.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/09/2017 22:05

NPR Politics
NPR Politics @nprpolitics
#Breaking: Trump has accepted the resignation of HHS Secretary Tom Price

SenecaFalls · 29/09/2017 22:05

However it could lead to dissension and attention and it is likely this the school it wanting to avoid, I’d say.

Actually from a legal constitutional standpoint, it is arguably more problematic for a state school to punish students for kneeling than for the NFL to. A school would be engaging in "state action" to limit freedom of political speech, which is what the courts are particularly sensitive to in interpreting the first amendment. To quote the most famous case, students "do not shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate". That case involved students wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam war.

Lweji · 29/09/2017 22:09

Just caught Price's resignation on CNN.

It's hypocritical of Trump, though.

cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 22:15

Ah. Price didn't do what he'd been touted to on Repeal & Replace. Wink

cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 22:17

45 apparently didn't like the 'optics' on Price's behaviour. Unfortunately for 45, a resignation isn't going to fix those.

lionheart · 29/09/2017 22:21

Rick Wilson‏Verified account @TheRickWilson 9m9 minutes ago
More
TRUMP: Do I have to fire him?
KELLY: Yes, sir. This was an egregious use of tax dollars.
TRUMP: Egregious sounds like a good word.
KELLY: It's not.
TRUMP: But I like it.
KELLY: Please don't.
TRUMP: I'm egregious. I'm the most egregious. No one is more egregious.
KELLY: Kill me.

Grin
Lweji · 29/09/2017 22:24

Yes, Scandal and Failure, as one CNN commentator offered to explain the high turnover at the WH since January 20 2017.

Meanwhile, two islands surrounded by water, big water and different responses. One after an earthquake with no warning. The other a hurricane with days of warning.

"After an earthquake shattered Haiti’s capital on Jan. 12, 2010, the U.S. military mobilized as if it were going to war.

Before dawn the next morning, an Army unit was airborne, on its way to seize control of the main airport in Port-au-Prince. Within two days, the Pentagon had 8,000 American troops en route. Within two weeks, 33 U.S. military ships and 22,000 troops had arrived. More than 300 military helicopters buzzed overhead, delivering millions of pounds of food and water.

...the mission to Haiti — an island nation several hundred miles from the U.S. mainland — stands as an example of how quickly relief efforts can be mobilized.

By contrast, eight days after Hurricane Maria ripped across neighboring Puerto Rico, just 4,400 service members were participating in federal operations to assist the devastated island, an Army general told reporters Thursday. In addition, about 1,000 Coast Guard members were aiding the efforts. About 40 U.S. military helicopters were helping to deliver food and water to the 3.4 million residents of the U.S. territory, along with 10 Coast Guard helicopters."

"“I think it’s a fair ask why we’re not seeing a similar command and response,” said retired Lt. Gen. P.K. “Ken” Keen, the three-star general who commanded the U.S. military effort in Haiti"

"Rajiv J. Shah, who led the U.S. Agency for International Development during the Haiti response, said he, too, was struggling to “understand the delays.”
“We were able to move more quickly in a foreign country, and with no warning because it was an earthquake, than a better-equipped agency was able to do in a domestic territory,” he said."

www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-responded-to-haiti-quake-more-forcefully-than-to-puerto-rico-disaster/2017/09/28/74fe9c02-a465-11e7-8cfe-d5b912fabc99_story.html?utm_term=.6b3251118345
Sad

History won't be kind on Trump, and I hope voters won't either.

lionheart · 29/09/2017 22:30

I don't think so Lwejiit is really impossible-- difficult to identify his redeeming features.

More rumblings.

www.politico.com/story/2017/09/28/mike-pence-robert-mueller-lawyer-meeting-russia-243275

cozietoesie · 29/09/2017 22:35

Ah. 'Whatever 'it' was, the Vice President was unaware of 'it'.'

( And I'm afraid with Pence that that's almost believable! Grin Not known as an ......intellectual powerhouse, the Veep.)

TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/09/2017 22:37
Sad

Today is the one year anniversary of #Braggadocious. Tried to warn you, America. 💅🏻
twitter.com/randyrainbow/status/913835335859294208

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/09/2017 22:59

@kurteichenwald
Cases of cholera now being reported in Puerto Rico.

I cant believe this is America. We're too incompetent or uncaring to get them water?

Lweji · 29/09/2017 23:02

Someone is...