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Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/09/2017 01:20

My bet is on nothing.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3024189-In-the-dim-corner-we-have-Trump-In-the-dictator-corner-we-have-Kim-Or-is-that-mixed-up

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 14:18

Apols if posted already:

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-26/mccain-calls-for-bipartisan-tax-effort-just-like-on-health-care

McCain Urges Bipartisan Tax Effort, Echoing Health Demands

Senator John McCain of Arizona is laying down the same marker on tax legislation as he did on health care, demanding regular order and support from both parties -- a stance that has proved pivotal in thwarting Senate Republican efforts to undo Obamacare.

“We need to do it in a bipartisan fashion,” McCain said Tuesday of planned tax legislation, arguing that the major congressional reforms that have stood the test of time since the 20th century have included buy-in from both parties. “I am committed, as I’ve said before, to a bipartisan approach, such as we’ve been doing in the Armed Services Committee for the last 53 years,” he told reporters in the Capitol.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 15:21

I think this is a fair summary of Trump's inner beliefs

David Frum‏Verified account
@davidfrum
Trump’s two most recent tweets:

  1. Everybody’s against me, I’m a victim
  2. Everybody loves me, I’m doing a great job.
cozietoesie · 27/09/2017 16:00

I feel that there should be a third - from inference.

'I always win'.

Sad
SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 27/09/2017 16:32

John McCain.

mobile.twitter.com/60Minutes/status/912108231555796993

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 16:44

It's just Sad all around

Obamacare Repeal Failed, but the Damage Is Already Done

www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/obamacare-repeal-failed-some-damage-already-done-n804956

WASHINGTON — Graham-Cassidy is officially over for now after Senate leaders announced they would not bring it up for a vote. But the damage to the health insurance market from the lengthy repeal debate is done — with higher premiums and fewer choices already baked into Obamacare’s 2018 exchanges.

Now Republican leaders and President Donald Trump have to decide what to do about it.

Do they keep trying repeal over and over and hope something eventually sticks? Or do they talk to Democrats about securing a shaky truce? Could they try to make Obamacare work for the most people possible in the meantime? Perhaps they try to sabotage it?

Having seen this a few days ago - and I'm pretty sure we've discussed this on these threads before - it's not hard to imagine how it'd go (and that's leaving aside all the other reasons they'd want it to fail):

[He means Josh Kushner, not Jared]

Scott Dworkin‏Verified account
@funder
Kushner's healthcare company has been replacing insurers that pull out of states. He wants insurers to bail. Stands to make billions. #AMJoy
Kushner wants to cause Obamacare issues so it prompts insurers to leave-then Kushner takes over the marketplace-already being done. #AMJoy
Trump wants Obamacare to fail insurers so they leave the market— Kushner's healthcare company replaces them #AMJoy

www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/06/21/oscar-health-will-expand-obamacare-footprint-in-five-states/

Fekko · 27/09/2017 16:44

What that? Survival rate? 😮

cozietoesie · 27/09/2017 17:03

Sabotage.

Fekko · 27/09/2017 17:13

It's like the buggers are asset stripping.

Will they all just disappear one day in a hot air balloon with carpet bags full of money (we hope)?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 18:21

Manafort campaigned for this despite uk, US, Iran and many other governments opposing

Elliott Lusztig
Elliott Lusztig @ezlusztig
Kurdistan independence referendum:

Yes: 2,861,000 (92%)
No: 224,000 (8%)
Turnout: 72.6%

What now?

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41419633

Fekko · 27/09/2017 18:24

A lot more fighting and destabilisation I think.

cozietoesie · 27/09/2017 18:25

"Iraq's parliament meanwhile asked the prime minister to deploy troops to the oil-rich region of Kirkuk and other disputed areas held by Kurdish forces."

Fekko · 27/09/2017 18:35

Ah back to oil. The curse of the ME.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 19:01

This is a strange one but loving the sass

JARED KUSHNER VOTED AS A WOMAN, ACCORDING TO HIS REGISTRATION

www.wired.com/story/jared-kushner-voter-registration-woman/amp

The issues under Kushner's purview include negotiating peace between Israel and Palestine, fixing the opioid crisis, updating technology across the entire federal government, and spearheading criminal justice reform, to name just a few. It seems like a nearly impossible set of challenges for anyone to tackle, and even more so for Kushner. Because in addition to not having any previous government experience, the former real estate exec has demonstrated repeated difficulty filling out simple, routine forms correctly. This includes his own voter registration form.

Fekko · 27/09/2017 19:03

Nothing is surprising me these days...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 19:05

What is going on? Are they intentionally trying to cause mass deaths? I’m not sure I want that question answered

David Begnaud @DavidBegnaud
Maddening.
3,000 shipping containers packed with food water & medicene have been sitting at the port in Puerto Rico since Saturday

mobile.twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/913088574983168000/video/1

cozietoesie · 27/09/2017 19:13

From what I've read, the critical things right now are power and manpower. Both of which require money and resolve - but neither of which the US government is upfronting.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 19:18

Trump 'thinking about' lifting Jones Act to help Puerto Rico

thehill.com/homenews/administration/352707-trump-thinking-about-lifting-jones-act-to-help-puerto-rico?amp

President Trump said Wednesday that he is "thinking about" lifting the rule barring foreign-flagged vessels from delivering goods between American ports to help hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico despite pressure from the shipping industry.

"Well we're thinking about [temporarily lifting the Jones Act]," Trump told reporters before stepping aboard Marine One, "but we have a lot of shippers, and a lot of people, and a lot of people who work in the shipping industry that don't want the Jones Act lifted."

"And we have a lot of ships out there right now," Trump added.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 19:23

There was a segment on maddow where the San Juan mayor was saying they had boots on the ground and people who looked pained that they weren’t able to do more but sadly there was lots of red tape and people asking her to write a memo instead of listening to what she was asking.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 27/09/2017 19:25

Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz of Puerto Rico's capital city, San Juan, talks with Rachel Maddow about the desperate situation in her city and in Puerto Rico broadly, and expresses her frustration with an administration that is slow to deploy eager helpers.

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/san-juan-mayor-this-is-a-big-s-o-s-for-anybody-out-there-1055746627516

cozietoesie · 27/09/2017 19:29

Thanks, Pain.

I'm afraid that 45's words don't fill me with much hope.....

cozietoesie · 27/09/2017 20:05

He vowed, during the campaign, if I recall, not to bail out Puerto Rico. You'd almost believe that he suspected PR of somehow..........engineering this current situation to achieve a back door solution.

CaveMum · 27/09/2017 21:00

Good old Daily Show!

Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.
cozietoesie · 27/09/2017 21:21

Gawd. Bannon in a tangerine pants suit. Grin

lionheart · 27/09/2017 21:46

Oh.