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To be so fucked off with my toddlers behaviour

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cassiebabie · 09/08/2017 08:33

My toddler has just tried to head butt my partner after being told off for hitting and trying to kick.
He seems angry a lot of time. Will hit for no reason, scream if he doesn't get his own way.
Can be walking down the street and if you don't take his hand he will just stop and start screaming like a banshee. Then he will run at you, hurting himself more. If you don't acknowledge him he will scratch or bite you
I've just had to turn tv off as he is on his bike purposly crashing into things like his table or his sister's bouncer.
I'm so fucking fed up of being in tears at this behaviour. Is it normal? What can I do please

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Pengggwn · 09/08/2017 10:05

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BoffinMum · 09/08/2017 10:05

The suggestions people are making sound sensible. But think it sounds a bit too big a problem for you on your own. I wonder if there is a Triple P parenting group you might attend to get a structured approach going to rehabilitate the behaviour issues?

Kickhiminthenuts · 09/08/2017 10:06

We haven't had many tantrums (not a brag, I think it's in their nature or not). But this will go against what you've done but what has worked quickly and deescalated the situation quickly for us was a tight hug. Just a shhhh shhhh type cuddle. They will try to hit you or hurt you but hold it long enough and it should work. Theory being their emotions have gone bananas they can't get them on track even if they wanted too. But it does work with some kids. Just a chance to calm it down, deep breath. "Ready now?" And you carry on not mentioning it again. It's done.

As for no toys, I get it. But their memories are short. It's why in reception each day behaviour measuring starts again. So each day give them back "let's start a fresh" type. They can't be punished today for yesterday's misdemeanour as there's no incentive to behave today.

Also be careful not to label as naughty. It gives a label to live up to "in bad so I behave like this". I've seen that many times. I've even had arguments with kids "I'm bad" "no your not" type. It easily gets ingrained as an expected behaviour.

Good luck, it's hard going.

FeralBeryl · 09/08/2017 10:09

You are far from a shit parent. A shit parent wouldn't be bothered. You're just a stressed, slightly lost parent, we've all been that Wink

Definitely agree that you need to start from scratch. He is still very young too, he has been elevated to 'big boy' status by the arrival of DD which he's entitled to struggle with.

Start with risk assessment - bike outside. Baby safe. Suitable toys downstairs.
Then structure his day-he obviously thrives on that according to nursery.
My 3 year old loves stickers, painting, cars, play dough (make your own with him) colouring in.
All stuff you can do easily and quite cheap too. But most of all - play with him.

He just sounds a bit bored and lonely. I know how hard it is when you have babies too but I promise your life will be so much easier once he's happy and you can wee on your own!

Don't worry too much about play dates, do you have a park nearby? He can play with other kids there, or just you. He loves you and will love playing with you.

Do you get any one to one time with him? If you can make that happen it will help too.

Finally - sorry for the ramble. Don't be too hard on him. The hand in the street thing - my 4 and 6 year old still do shit like that if they're a bit tired/jealous etc.
The football one - I lay on the ball in the park the other day as I kept getting tackled by the kids and was sulking Wink

This is completely doable - new start today.

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Zaphodsotherhead · 09/08/2017 10:12

All small children take half an hour to do a ten minute walk. Are you expecting too much of him? Did you know many children before you had him? Because he sounds very normal to me, an active little boy with more energy than he knows what to do with!
I'd also suggest you alternate active play with quiet, sitting down reading together. Something the baby can't do, learning words and sounds 'because she's too little'. Make him feel grown up and give him a focus. But yes, you don't seem to know much about small children (not your fault, I'd never held a baby til I held my first), so maybe do a bit of research yourself about what to expect from three year olds. Might make you feel better!

Serialweightwatcher · 09/08/2017 10:19

It doesn't make you a bad parent if a child is acting up - there could be all sorts of reasons - just learning which buttons to push, wanting more attention etc - doesn't make him or you a bad person ... you just need to nip behaviour in the bud which is unacceptable to you and would make it harder for him when he goes to school if he carries on getting away with it - don't be hard on yourself - you wouldn't be on here if you weren't wanting to try to change it, so that makes you a good parent Flowers

grannytomine · 09/08/2017 10:28

I've got 4, one was like this. So does that make me a shit parent or a great parent? Maybe blame isn't the best way to look at it. My "naughty" one and your son just need something different to the angelic ones. This stood out to me My son got annoyed that he wasn't able to get the ball so he walked over grabbed the ball and threw it away. Are you letting him get the ball, win the game or whatever? My son needed to feel he was succeeding and his older brothers weren't always kind when running rings round him.

If it is any comfort my "naughty" one is the easiest now, very self sufficient, very kind and a great son. The "angelic" one needs more help and boosting as an adult.

Good luck.

cassiebabie · 09/08/2017 10:30

I don't know how to nip it in the bud though That's my problem, my mum who I've now gone no contact with just used to say he is a wicked boy
The nursery never see him like this so they don't offer any help
I'm lost. It may well be my parenting, I've been through a lot in 3 years including assault from my son's father. I'm partially still dealing with his traumatic birth which has left me unable to have a vaginal birth ever again and now I'm recovering from a section. But I just don't know what to do

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cassiebabie · 09/08/2017 10:32

I've just witnessed him in the garden spitting over all his cars that I've just gave him back
Sad

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JsOtherHalf · 09/08/2017 10:33

When you get a chance, have a look through these fact files for ages 0-4 - it might reassure you, or indicate an area that needs working on.

www.sompar.nhs.uk/what-we-do/children-and-young-people/professional/integrated-therapy-service/how-to-help-a-child/fact-files/

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cassiebabie · 09/08/2017 10:34

Yeah I asked him he just doesn't answer, he walked off
Then hit my partner twice

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StormTreader · 09/08/2017 10:41

If hes raging at being frustrated at 7pm then that doesnt surprise me - I also get ragey when Im tired and frustrated!

The spitting at cars sounds like hes bored and has learned that this is something you notice and react to - hes trying to get your attention. Is he getting one-on-one play time with you at all, or is the new baby getting all your attention at the moment?

Neutrogena · 09/08/2017 10:42

@Banging My 2 year old's behaviour is horrendous. Destructive, screams like a banshee, hits, kicks, bites, scratches, pushes etc. Yesterday she picked up the cats' bowls and threw cat food, biscuits and water everywhere. Then she tipped out the drawer unit of toys everywhere and proceeded to leave them. I know a 2 year old has a short attention span (and fuse) but if something doesn't so what SHE wants it to do at that precise moment, she hurls it at walls and floors. Her attitude when she speaks is a bit shock. She stamps her foot in temper, crosses her arms and pouts her lips when she has a huff! I cannot even pop to tesco without her swiping everything off shelves and then she pulls a face and says "Ha! Ha!" She is hard work!

It's called willful or spirited, which are other words used for bratty, spolit and unpleasant.

Hissy · 09/08/2017 10:43

How does your partner react? When he get hit?

3yos are awful sometimes, but staying calm and talking to him can help. I don't have experiences of tantrums etc, but I do know what it's like to have a child with a violent man.

Can you take him out just you and him? leave DD with your DP?

I think getting a structured day may be the right thing, keeping him slightly busy etc

You are not a shit parent, you do care, that is more than halfway there. Keep going, it won't always be like this.

Your DM sounds delightful, did your DS hear the things she said about him?

Hissy · 09/08/2017 10:44

What time does he go to bed? what time does he wake up? does he have a quieter time at any point?

PugOnToast · 09/08/2017 10:45

*Banging and Munchy
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(This is not referring to your post Cassie - it is about something said by these two)

Both of you have made the observation that if a child is well behaved at school and the very different at home,then it is due to poor parenting and boundaries.

This is absolutely not always the case. Some children with SN hold it together at school or nursery but explode at home. Mine did until secondary. Eventually I was listened to and a complex diagnosis was made but until then I had judgemental comments made from people who should know better. I went to a parenting course to learn to be better but I insisted on a specialist SN course.

It is very narrow minded to presume that this pattern of good at school awful at home only has one cause and that is of poor parenting.

Cassie. This sounds incredibly hard. I would reduce the punishments. Take toys away or time out for very short times. The punishments arent working so there is no point continuing. I used to hate what I am about to say but have you tried sticker charts etc? Ignore the bad. Reward the good. It is very hard and frustrating. If you are feeling terrible please go to the dr. Have you spoken to the GP about this? Uncontrolled anger is such a PITA. Both mine have it. One is NT. one SN and have to be managed very differently.

Good luck x

Akani · 09/08/2017 10:47

OP

With the cars, I'd have reminded him "We don't spit", and handed him a cloth and showed him how to wipe the spit off the cars and then said, "well done, they are much nicer now they are clean". And redirected.

However, it's not always easy to do that with a baby.

Writerwannabe83 · 09/08/2017 10:48

Hi OP, it sounds really tough.

I have a 3yr 6m old and thankfully we've never had much of a problem with his behaviour bar the usual throwing things in anger, hitting out at us when he doesn't get his way etc but thankfully it's rare.

The way I deal with him when he throws something he gets told, "No, you know you don't throw things in the house." If he then throws it again he gets a warning that it will be taken off him if he throws it again, and then if he does throw it again I remove it. I tend to put it somewhere still in his sight but out of reach and he's told that if he behaves he can have it back later and I usually return it to him after 1-2 hours.

My friend used to have awful problems with her 3 year old boy's behaviour, he really was awful and she'd be in tears all the time and she used to throw his toys away all the time as a punishment but he started to find it funny and would actually start walking up to her with his toys, tell her to put them in the bin and then just start laughing.

My DS also has a naughty step which is what I use if he either hits out or kicks out at me or DH. When I put him on the step I tell him he's to stay there until he's ready to apologise and when he does say sorry (usually after a few minutes) I ask him what he's sorry for and he will say "For hitting daddy" or whatever he did.

I have never resorted to throwing away toys but my DH did on one occasion (which I felt uncomfortable about) and that's when he was repeatedly kicking out at my DH even whilst he was sitting on his naughty step. He was being really defiant and shouty and my DH said that every time DS kicked him (this is whilst on the step) then one of his toy cars was going in the bin. DS continued to scream and kick out at him so DH carried out the consequence and after about 4 of his little toy cars going in the bin DS did stop kicking but he was distraught when he realised DH did actually throw his toys away. I found it all a bit upsetting and me and DH did speak about it afterwards and said really he should have left DS on the naughty step instead of sitting there and talking to him which just fired up the situation and. As badly as I think DH handled the situation DS has never misbehaved on his step again.

Sometimes getting DS to do as he's told can be challenging so I use the technique of counting slowly to 5 with him knowing he has to do what has been asked by the time I hit 5 and he's always done it by the time I hit 3 or 4.

In general DH is more stricter than I am and I think dishes out the counting and naughty step consequences too quickly in situations that I perhaps wouldn't but ironically DS is much more well behaved for me. I think because DH can dish out consequences quite willy nilly DS just does as he pleases whilst with DH because he's frequently hearing the threats whereas because DS knows I'm more patient and talk to him about his behaviours before rushing straight in with discipline he's much calmer and settled in my presence.

I also find distraction is a very good technique to break up a situation that I think has the potential to escalate to a drop in his behaviour and I find play-doh and painting are the two activities that really settle him because he really engages in it and focuses on it and it's something fun we can do together. I find if I simply try and get him to play with another toy it isn't really that effective at changing his mindset whereas a fun activity together completely changes his mood. Plus, because getting the play-doh or paint out isn't an everyday occurrence (because it's a hassle and messy) he gets excited when we do it. I don't look at it as rewarding bad behaviour (I know you mentioned that in terms of taking your DS to Soft play if he's being difficult) because I don't think 3 year old have the emotional intelligence to make that kind of connection between two separate activities. I don't believe that my son thinks to himself "If I play up it means my mom will get the paints out so what naughty things can I do....."

Have you tried Reward Charts for any specific aspects of his behaviour? We have used one to address DS's Sleep problems since he was about 3 years and 2 months and it worked amazingly!! It's an interactive way of rewarding good behaviour and as has been said numerous times on this thread, praising them for good behaviour is much more effective than punishing them for bad behaviour.

Finally, there is help out there through your Health Visiting Team if you ask for it in terms of focused home visits to support behaviour problems and put plans in place or the availability of parenting courses. Apologies if you have already contacted them but if not I strongly suggest it.

You really do have my sympathies OP because it sounds draining. You aren't a shit parent at all, all we ever do is the best we can and it sounds to me like you're just exhausted by it all.

What stance does his dad have on all this? Are your parenting techniques consistent?

ludothedog · 09/08/2017 10:48

OP, I'm sorry that you and your son have experienced DV. This will be having an effect on his behaviour and you too.
Please speak honestly to your HV. She will be able to advise you on how to manage effectively his behaviour and refer you on to other charities such as Women's Aid (there is a great variation from area to area) who can provide support to you and your son.

There is help out there for you OP. Things can get better.

Viviennemary · 09/08/2017 10:49

Get the bike out of the house for a start. And only allow a few toys downstairs but not ones that can be rammed into furniture. It doesn't sound as if this naughty step is working. I agree he is seeking attention. There's no easy answers.

ludothedog · 09/08/2017 10:52

please OP, you are dealing with a lot. There is no shame in asking for help. Ask your HV to see what she can recommend. Early years are so important. Try and get things sorted out with your son now. He is clearly telling you that he is not ok and most likely he is not ok because you are not ok and that's not necessarily your fault. Sometimes people just get dealt a shit hand.

I really hope things get better for you all Flowers

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Mummyoflittledragon · 09/08/2017 10:55

He sounds more like my dd in that he doesn't want to do things by himself. He wants to be entertained. So I think you need to get more interactive and start planning. Plan to go somewhere for the morning and/or the afternoon. Schedule something every day and get out every day so that he runs off steam. With small children, it's all about tiring them out so that they sleep at night.

Monday - trip to the park
Tuesday - soft play
Wednesday - parent and toddler group etc

Have a bunch of activities to amuse him, which are ready to hand so that he has some activities. What does he like doing?

E.g. Painting, drawing, colouring, lego blocks, stacking blocks.

You say he has a dolly, can you do imaginative play with it? So pretending to feed it, take it places and you can pretend one corner of the room is the park, another corner is nursery and get him to act it out. When it's sunny, he can take his dolly/teddies to play on all of the equipment outside.

My dd has a playhouse and she's never really used it. At the end of the day, it's different strokes for different folks. Maybe his sister will like it or he'll love playing in there.

What about inviting some of his friends over from nursery with their parents at the weekend sometime? You may even find some friends yourself.