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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

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Grilledaubergines · 03/08/2017 00:12

b)

SerfTerf · 03/08/2017 00:13

Her saying that she would terminate was "a few months" after she announced the pregnancy?

SerfTerf · 03/08/2017 00:16

So basically, you tried to pressure her into a late abortion? She then couldn't go through with it and you think you have somehow been hard-done-by?

Sex can cause pregnancy. If it happens, there are TWO opinions to reconcile.

If you can't handle those facts, stop shagging around.

Dumdedumdum · 03/08/2017 00:19

The termination was booked for March, when she was what 3?4? months into her pg?
If she is due in October she was pregnancy in February. These dates don't add up.

CrowyMcCrowFace · 03/08/2017 00:20

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MommaGee · 03/08/2017 00:20

Aw you sure its yours?

Due October so conceived January?
She announced she was pregnant - so she must have been 4 weeks minimum? So she told you in Feb?
Then over the next few months you chatted, she came to visit and she decided to terminate.

But the abortion was booked for March, only a month after she told you??

That doesn't add up.

When did you go on holiday?

I think option 1 wpukd make you a shot person.
You need a combination of 2 and 3. You need a relationship - platonic - and you need to find a way to forgive her. But I'd want a paternity test once baby is here. Then you just have to make it work.

she already has a 6 yo and I assume whilst she's over here seeing you he is with his Dad? Its utterly unfair to expect her to rip her 6 yo from his country and family to come and live with a man he doesn't know.
If in time romantic feelings come back, you .moving out there makes far more sense.

You need to learn to speak French because it will be the mother tongue of your child

Notevilstepmother · 03/08/2017 00:21

I think you should do (b) if you mean a romantic relationship. You will need to maintain a parent to parent relationship with her is at all possible.

Good luck.

Chunkamatic · 03/08/2017 00:24

The fact that you are even considering choice A tells me all I need to know about your character.

AnUtterIdiot · 03/08/2017 00:26

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SerfTerf · 03/08/2017 00:27

Agree chunk. Who would think "forgetting" them is an acceptable solution?

Fruitboxjury · 03/08/2017 00:32

B - and I think if I were in your position I would feel trapped.

She can clearly do this with or without you, but the child deserves two parents and for that reason I think you're doing the right thing building a relationship but a romantic one is never going to be on mutual terms.

What role does she want you to play if for example she's not willing to address her smoking with you?

SteppingOnToes · 03/08/2017 00:37

The numbers don't add up at all...

RadioGaGoo · 03/08/2017 00:37

B. And learn French for the move to France.

Dumdedumdum · 03/08/2017 00:38

You know abortion is legal in France? (Up to 14 weeks, which she would have been within according to your dates). Why did she need to go to Holland? Did she explain why?

JemandScout · 03/08/2017 00:40

If you feel 'trapped' as the fryutboxjury delightfully suggested, then please remember you are 50% responsible for getting yourself in that position.

nellytheelephant21 · 03/08/2017 00:45

Is she actually pregnant? Have you seen her with bump or taking word for it? Paternity test if so. Dates really don't add up.

Theycalledmethewildrose · 03/08/2017 00:47

The fact that you are even considering choice A tells me all I need to know about your character.

This.

What age are you? Your mail sounds very immature in some ways.

RedBullBlood · 03/08/2017 00:48

'his' life is easier to type than 'it's'.

MargaretTwatyer · 03/08/2017 00:49

C. In fact I don't even think it should be hard to forgive her. She is obviously struggling with a traumatic pregnancy which she has had mixed feelings about combined with an on/off relationship with someone who is apparently a bit of a drama queen. And she made some silly decisions which don't actually appear to have been made with any malice. I doubt she was trying to cut you out given that she booked a holiday and stayed in contact. It's much more likely she decided she wanted the baby but was scared to tell you as she thought you'd react badly. She was correct. You have.

You need to pull yourself together and stop punishing her for this. Put it this way. Would you ever want your future child to know that you cut off his mother and were considering cutting off them because you were angry they weren't aborted?

indigox · 03/08/2017 00:51

The fact that you are even considering choice A tells me all I need to know about your character.

+1

indigox · 03/08/2017 00:52

If you're young and have no ties why wouldn't you go and live in Paris to have a role in your child's life?

inkzooka · 03/08/2017 00:54

I'm not sure where people are getting the info from that he bullied her into a late term abortion and was disappointed at the lack of one? yeah, he was relieved about it but that's not necessarily a bad thing, he's upset at the breach of trust and the fact that she lied about having an abortion :/

B, obviously.

SerfTerf · 03/08/2017 00:57

You know abortion is legal in France? (Up to 14 weeks, which she would have been within according to your dates). Why did she need to go to Holland? Did she explain why?

In holland it's 21 weeks.

The "few months" of discussion probably took her beyond 14 weeks Sad

ComputerUserNotTrained · 03/08/2017 00:58

How very unreasonable of her to not uproot herself and her child to move to England, what with you not speaking French and all that Hmm

I think a) is probably the best option for her and her children, tbh.

Dumdedumdum · 03/08/2017 01:01

Serf, this must be one of the longest pgs in history! Over three months by March, not due till October!

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