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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

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sailorcherries · 03/08/2017 12:22

Terrible phone typing, I apologise.

Mxyzptlk · 03/08/2017 12:24

Many of those "unplanned" pregnancies will be within committed relationships, so not quite the same casual situation as yourself.

If you are going to poke your willie into females you hardly know, you need to use condoms or get the snip.
You know it makes sense.

MommaGee · 03/08/2017 12:24

So OP would you consider looking into options for moving to France? Or depending on where you both are, closer (so south rather than north Scotland)

Mxyzptlk · 03/08/2017 12:26

Start learning French, and get a DNA test when the baby is born.
If he/it is your child, go for maintaining a platonic relationship with the mother and a fatherly one with the child.

contrary13 · 03/08/2017 12:30

"Having a parent who seethes with resentment and is not grown up enough to show decency towards the other parent leads to the sort of hostile parental relationship that normal functioning people know is seriously damaging to kids."

^ This. With fucking bells on.

I grew up in a family where my mother resented my existence. Recently, her siblings have all told me that my father wanted me... but she didn't. She was extremely blasé about informing me (whilst I was still quite young, round about 10 or 11) that she'd tried to get rid of me whilst in Ireland - so, general euphemisms about how she'd visited their GP for "tablets to bring on [her] period" and so forth.

I have spent my entire life feeling absolutely unwanted by one of my parents. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, OP. It's a horrible, horrible feeling and even now, some four decades later, whenever my mother offers to help with my own children... I'm left thinking "why bother - you didn't want me in the first place!". That feeling? Is instinctive. It doesn't go away.

Ever.

Don't wish that on your unborn son.

(I have always had a fantastic relationship with my father, by the way. The parent who wanted me, who loved me unreservedly, who risked his life to be there whilst I was actually being born. I love both of my parents, but my Dad...? He's the only parent I have whom I know loves me unreservedly in return. Be like my Dad for your child(ren) if and when they happen OP. Distance doesn't matter if you genuinely love/want them. Trust me on this!)

MeanAger · 03/08/2017 12:34

Will it be more damaging for him to have a father who he only sees once in a blue moon who speaks a different language from him

Why will you only see your child once in a blue moon? Do you realise that children only get one mother and one father. You are it. You seen his only experience of a father. You get to decide the life experience this person has. What would it mean to you to have had your father choose not to see you as often as he could? To know that he felt it a chore than his life's greatest delight to spend time with you?

You have a serious attitude adjustment to make. You get one chance at getting this right. You can either go through the motions (which children can spot a mile off and resent you for life for) or you can actually be a father and have a relationship with your child. I know which Is better for the child and that's what your concern should be.

MeanAger · 03/08/2017 12:35

And btw, with enough involvement from you your child will be bi-lingual.

00100001 · 03/08/2017 12:38

So she conceived at the end if January...

Would have missed her period around early - mid-feb

Tested and told you around mid feb? I presume?
So very early.

Where does the "few months" come into play before the booked abortion in March? Surely there could have only been around 4-6 weeks of discussion?

I'm so confused Confused

Carolinesbeanies · 03/08/2017 12:41

I fear OP, youll be damned if you do and damned if you dont. Whatever relationship thats offered to you, will be under the mothers terms. Sadly thats the way it is.

I think all you can do, is manage your parents over this. They will at some point start putting pressure on you (and your magic 'contact' wand) to 'do something'. There will be very little you can do and perhaps theres a lesson here that you should have stayed true to your own feelings about the situation, and cancelled the holiday in the first place. I cant think of anything worse than sitting opposite the carrier of your child, chain smoking.

Agree with DNA, clearly she can lie, but fear even that simple request will be met with 'how very dare you'.

Its b) IMO and if that ends up christmas and birthday cards only, I fear thats what you need to be prepared for. As do your parents. Its 100% in her court and generally why women like this get pregnant in the first place. Youre about to become a chain to yank when convenient.

SerfTerf · 03/08/2017 12:54

Where does the "few months" come into play before the booked abortion in March? Surely there could have only been around 4-6 weeks of discussion?

Yes that's what I can't follow.

And if the termination was booked for March, surely she was first trimester and could therefore have been treated legally in France?

Any chance of a timeline OP?

ecuse · 03/08/2017 13:26

OP - it is within your control whether your child has a father they rarely see that doesn't speak their language.

Decide whether you want to be involved in your child's life. If you do - learn French at the bare minimum. Strongly consider moving to France. Why not? You're young, no ties.

It's perfectly possible to be the father you want to be with or without a relationship with the mother. But it's up to you and nobody else.

NoodlesAreYum · 03/08/2017 13:46

Hang on a minute...I might have missed this bit somewhere but what does she want? Apart from a baby of course. Does she want a relationship with you?

AhhhhThatsBass · 03/08/2017 13:48

OP, what is it you want? Do you want to pursue a relationship with the mother? Do you want a relationship with the child?
If so, why don't you talk to her and say how you feel? Yes, what she did could be construed as a breach of trust but you don't know what her thoughts were; perhaps she had planned on terminating but couldn't bring herself to do it, which happens more regularly that people think.
In fact someone very close to me did something similar but from her perspective it was because she thought the father wanted nothing to do with the baby after he made his original feelings clear. When she change her mind, she decided she would just go it alone so didn't think she needed to tell him about her change of heart.

I definitely think if you are sure the child is yours then you should step up and attempt some form of relationship with him, irrespective of the mother. And I'd recommend that you insist you're named on the birth cert. as the father. Things can get very tricky otherwise if there are ever custody issues later on.
From the childs perspective, knowing that his father cared about him & supported him, even if he only saw him "once in a blue moon", will save him a fortune in therapy. Skype, facetime etc make a relationship a lot easier than in the past.
Bottom line, talk to her. Tell her what you want, ask her what she wants and go from there. Best of luck, I hope it all works out for you.

juneau · 03/08/2017 13:48

b)

plus demand a paternity to make sure it's yours.

Understand too that she may well pursue you for child support for the next 18 years.

juneau · 03/08/2017 13:52

paternity TEST

Lostbeyondwords · 03/08/2017 13:52

Why did you make a woman pregnant if you were not sure the relationship would last?

What? Did she play no part in it or something? He just decided she should be pregnant and bam, that was it? What a silly question.

OP you need to come back and answer some of the questions pp are asking.

Either you want a child or you don't - that should aid you in whether or not you travel/move there. Either way you should support the child financially (if you do believe it to be yours).

Lostbeyondwords · 03/08/2017 13:56

Sorry somehow missed you did come back with some answers.

So what does she want from you?

Coconutspongexo · 03/08/2017 13:56

I personally don't think you have to move to Paris - might be an unpopular opinion but commuting there won't actually be that expensive and it doesn't take long flights are very cheap!

NeedsAsockamnesty · 03/08/2017 13:56

caroline I have never turned a father into a chain to yank when convienant but if one demanded a DNA test without very good reason I would tell them to proceed in life with the impression that they are not the dad because that's what that request means they think

grannytomine · 03/08/2017 14:07

I should have also mentioned breach of trust. The moment you had sex with her, you risked creating a baby. You do get that, right? And the moment the sperm enters her body, it is the woman, who 100% has the right to decide what happens to her body. Didn't you get that? So no, there is no real breach of trust. She sounds very confused if it took her so long to make a decision. I don't think the breach of trust is about her getting pregnant and staying pregnant, it is about saying she wanted an abortion, saying she had arranged an abortion (both of those might be true) and then lying and saying she had in fact had an abortion and maintaining that lie until just before the holiday (not sure how long that was) but it is seriously messing with someones head to tell them you have aborted their baby and then announce that you haven't. That is a breach of trust and how can he believe anything she says now? She is a proven liar.

OP I think you need to go for B but if I was you I would want a DNA test.

BowiesJumper · 03/08/2017 14:10

You can be in Paris in under 2 1/2hrs by Eurostar and if you book ahead it's not too expensive.

You can take paternity leave when the baby is born too.

I would try to start as you mean to go on - amicable co-parents who have your child's best interests at heart. You can visit there, and your child can visit you here (both with their mother and as they get older, without) for weekends, holidays, Christmas etc. Just concentrate on swallowing your feelings of "betrayal" and look to the future. It would be best all round to be friends with this lady.

Good luck.

Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 14:14

I just don't really know if I want to be a father I guess. I hope when the baby is born that I fall in love with it and that makes things easier for me in terms of what I want. I know that may sound selfish to a point but it is what it is

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00100001 · 03/08/2017 14:18

can you clairfy timeline OP

as currently it makes no sense.
what did you mean by " a few months"?

Coconutspongexo · 03/08/2017 14:19

Lots of people don't want to be fathers at first but they come to terms with it & if this child is infact yours I doubt you will be comfortable not having a relationship with them. You're an adult, you know that there is a possibility of producing a child from intercourse, if this child is yours you should step up regardless of how you feel towards the mother.

Mxyzptlk · 03/08/2017 14:20

Definitely it sounds selfish because it is selfish. You've done nothing but be selfish all through this.

Try being a decent human being for a change.