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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

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SoupDragon · 03/08/2017 10:22

she couldn't be pushed

Again, making stuff up. The termination was her idea.

SoupDragon · 03/08/2017 10:24

Anyway, for multiple reasons I am out.

I actually snorted with laughter whenthe OP said "I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate" because I knew that was not going to happen even before I read his post.

waitforitfdear · 03/08/2017 10:26

You called her a child abuser???

Coconutspongexo · 03/08/2017 10:33

Haven't RTFT but I can't see any evidence of him bullying her into an abortion, people are clearly making that up here for their own agenda.

If this child is yours, which I'm not too sure it is due to the dates, I'd forgive her, pregnancy can be hard to get your head around, it's not the easiest of times.

Id want a paternity test though if she does want you involved.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 03/08/2017 10:35

How strange.

My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?
NeedsAsockamnesty · 03/08/2017 10:53

You sort of need to decide if you agree with me that a dad that would be relieved if you didn't exist and who believes your mother to be a child abuser and lacks the compassion or understanding to get his head around how someone with a unwilling casual shag could potentially decide that going it alone was the way forward so describes it as such a minumentous breach of trust that it may be impossible for him to get over, is even worth having.

Having a parent who seethes with resentment and is not grown up enough to show decency towards the other parent leads to the sort of hostile parental relationship that normal functioning people know is seriously damaging to kids.

If you are going to be that dad then do the right thing take option A and do it knowing that it is the kindest option for your child. There is no shame to be had in admitting your a bit shit and cannot do well enough to not damage your child, the world would be a better place if more parents were actually prepared to admit this.

But if you can grow the fuck up have a functioning mutually respectful relationship with the other parent that is not dependant on romance then the choice gets really easy because it is no choice you just get on with it and do what ever it takes to be a good enough parent

NeedsAsockamnesty · 03/08/2017 11:00

Haven't RTFT but I can't see any evidence of him bullying her into an abortion, people are clearly making that up here for their own agenda

I wonder how the op expressed his horror given that he was horrified and what form his not being able to communicate logically took?

SerfTerf · 03/08/2017 11:04

I wonder how the op expressed his horror given that he was horrified and what form his not being able to communicate logically took?

My thoughts exactly Needs.

After all, women don't normally wait until the second trimester to decide to terminate, particularly if that then means traveling abroad to obtain one.

VulvalHeadMistress · 03/08/2017 11:17

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 11:34

OP here,

Thanks for everyone's responses, I was expecting a certain level of criticism which I'm fine with aside from the odd ' grow the fuck up' comments which obviously add nothing to the thread.

On the issues you all brought up

  • She is definitely pregnant. I went to Paris with her to observe the scans myself in the early stages and she was the size of a house when we went away.
  • The dates are this. Conceived late January and as people rightly pointed out, she decided to have the abortion past the 12 week cut of period in France so she had to travel to Holland where the cut off point goes upto 24 weeks.
  • People are correct in saying that I didn't overly pressure her into the abortion. I believe women have the right to choose but also that they have the duty to choose responsibly (if that makes sense)I did say however that abortion was my preferred option.
  • the breach of trust issue needs to be put into context really. You have to understand that over the course of the pregnancy we had built up a huge rapport of understanding to the point where we felt like we were in a romantic relationship so when she dropped the bomb that she was still pregnant after weeks and weeks of dialogue whereby i was under the impression that she had aborted, it almost feels like being cheated on.
  • on people giving me a hard time over suggesting option a : i suppose it's something I have to consider because that choice could well be made for me in the future. You have to think of the childs well -being here. Will it be more damaging for him to have a father who he only sees once in a blue moon who speaks a different language from him ?

Thanks so much

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MommaGee · 03/08/2017 11:56

Will it be more damaging for him to have a father who he only sees once in a blue moon depending on where she is in France, they're q long car ride away. Why cat you go over once a month? You suggested she uproots her 6 yo to move to England, is there any option for you to move to France?

who speaks a different language from him ? well you have a head start. His not born yet and won't learn to talk for a bit. So get to the shops or online and buy some learn to speak French books /CD-s. Find a college course. You only speak a different language if you can't be bothered to learn his.

How old are you? Do you have kids? Wife? Job?

Neutrogena · 03/08/2017 11:59

Thanks OP.
There is no future with this, and you don't owe the foetus or the mother anything. Step away now and lead the rest of your life happliy.

Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 11:59
  1. No wife. Steady job
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MommaGee · 03/08/2017 12:01

Neutrogena they both had sex that resulted in a baby. They both have responsibilities to then baby.

Bertiebottsbum · 03/08/2017 12:02

I still don't think your dates work. A baby conceived at end of Jan is still within a twelve week window for a abortion in France at end of March.

waitforitfdear · 03/08/2017 12:03

she was the size of a house

Op I would do A really as you are clearly not up to the job of being a loving partner let alone a daddy.

Please either use a condom or if you don't want children have a vaccevtomy

NotWeavingButDarning · 03/08/2017 12:05

OP, get thee to a lawyer.

Find out what your responsibilities and access options are before you make any decisions.

Go from there.

SnoozeTime · 03/08/2017 12:06

So, she is due October: Last monthly period in January. Conceived in January (approx 2 weeks after lmp). Positive Test in February. Supposed termination March.
Were you with her around the time of conception? I think you need to keep in contact and get a dna test when the baby is born.

MommaGee · 03/08/2017 12:08

I do think a DNA teat is prudent.

Do you have any other kids?

Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 12:13

I'm 99% sure the baby is mine.

because i used the generically popular term 'as big as a house' doesn't mean a thing in the grand scheme of things. I was merely trying to emphasise that she was clearly pregnant. Getting triggered over flippant descriptions wont help the situation.

I'm willing to admit that I was foolish to have unprotected sex but I read a stat in the independent the other day that said 55-60% of pregnancies are unplanned so I cant be the only one ! We don't really have a multitude of options in that department like women do when it comes to birth control

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Dumdedumdum · 03/08/2017 12:14

OP do you want to revisit the "late" termination being booked for March?

Theycalledmethewildrose · 03/08/2017 12:16

I'm finding it all rather unbelievable.

ButchyRestingFace · 03/08/2017 12:16

We don't really have a multitude of options in that department like women do when it comes to birth control

You don't need a "multitude". You just need condoms. Confused

Or a vasectomy if you're really not keen.

sailorcherries · 03/08/2017 12:20

I think a DNA test is your first port of call once the baby comes.
Yes the Jan - Oct dates work, however the few months of discussion before a termination was agreed does seem to put the March deadline out the window. Unless of course a few months is more like a month and a half.

I'd also wonder about whether the pregnancy was actually accidental. Contraception works perfectly until she is near returning ti France time, at which point she is pregnant. She senses OP isn't thrilled and decides herself to get an abortion. Then she doesn't go through with the abortion and instead of telling OP straight away she decides to wait until they have formed a relationship, plan a holiday and she cannot terminate.
To me, that seems untrustworthy and quite calculated. Either she wanted to raise the child alone or hoped OP would uproot for her and play happy families in France. Prior to this pregnancy she had no issues being in the UK for enough time to develop tje beginnings of a relationship, despite having a 6 year old.

As for those criticising the OP for wanting to run away, can you honestly blame the fight or flight reaction after finding out you will be a dad in just over 2 months? It's quite natural for people to run away from a scary situation and this is entirely different to a short lived relationship where everyone has been on the same page from day 1.

I also don't believe the OP should be criticised for not attending the abortion clinic. He has taken time off to attend esrly scans and depending on the location and day it may not have been a one day off work scenario, but a few days, which genuinely may not be feasible.
I also had a surgical abortion before and, generally speaking, men/guests weren't allowed in the waiting/recovery room. However, my friend who has a medical abortion was allowed a guest on the ward with her.

Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 12:21

Do you have any other kids?

No. I've been single for most of my life

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