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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

OP posts:
Youknowbest · 04/08/2017 00:10

I definitely don't know that other poster by the way, my name doesn't begin with 'b'

OP posts:
Youknowbest · 04/08/2017 00:10

'OP if you are not ready to be a father don't shag around - Simple!'

Did you read my post ? Or even the title of my post ?

OP posts:
FluffyPineapple · 04/08/2017 00:26

Did you read my post ? Or even the title of my post ?

Yes I did. Your post implies that you were very relieved that your partner was having a termination and it was an "incredible breach of trust" when she didn't carry through with it. and Oh...and that she displayed child abuse because she smokes. Plus you don't know this woman because she lives abroad - but shagged her anyway! And it took your mum to convince you to go on holiday with her....

In the title of your post you call your son "it".

BeALert · 04/08/2017 03:14

You can still be a father to this child. You can spend weekends together, you can have him/her come and stay with you during school holidays, and you can be there at the end of the phone, facetime, skype, whatever.

Living in another country from your child doesn't stop you from being able to be a dad.

Choosing to put the effort into being a dad is what matters.

MouseClogs · 04/08/2017 04:47

FluffyPineapple are you for real?! Why on Earth shouldn't the OP be relieved at the prospect of an abortion? He has no right to decide or push the outcome but every right to a personal opinion on his preferred outcome.

The breach of trust was not that she chose to go through with the pregnancy and I refuse to believe anyone is daft enough to actually have got this from the OP's post. The breach of trust entails lying for months on end that she had aborted and then dropping the truth bomb MONTHS down the line.

And now casual sex is apparently a crime - the OP "didn't know this woman" because she lived abroad and yet had the audacity to "shah her anyway"?! What do you propose, a precoital quiz?

And as for the smoking - child abuse may well be misguided and hyperbolic terminology, but puffing away while pregnant is hardly to be recommended, surely.

MouseClogs · 04/08/2017 04:50

Honestly, if that's all you've got by way of condemnation then you're looking at some considerable expenditure on deep tissue massages for all the reaching you're doing. You have quite literally inferred that OP has no right to have sex with someone he doesn't know well, no right to condemn smoking in pregnancy, no right to an opinion on the outcome of the pregnancy and no right to feel aggrieved at being lied to about the status of his offspring for months. I mean.... seriously?

Coconutspongexo · 04/08/2017 08:04

Fluffypineapple behave, my sons dad begged me for an abortion I didn't have one and he fucked off to Oz for 8 months fuming with me not having one.

Now, we aren't a couple he's a tit but he's an amazing dad to my son. What people say and do before the child arrives can often be through sheer panic.

Coconutspongexo · 04/08/2017 08:05

Ps I'd class smoking during pregnancy as child abuse don't really care if I get 'flamed' for it

Neutrogena · 04/08/2017 08:21

Dipping - would you want to see it become illegal?

waitforitfdear · 04/08/2017 09:01

It's really bad form to openely try and 'out' another poster for any reason. If you thought you knew him you should stay quiet or PM them.

Op you really need a paternity test here first and formost and then if you are the daddy it's down to you.
Many many fathers work away and are brilliant dads.

Coconutspongexo · 04/08/2017 09:07

Yes, to be honest I would want to see it go become illegal!

Coconutspongexo · 04/08/2017 09:09

My English there is shocking! Sorry

Neutrogena · 04/08/2017 09:12

Dipping - you'd also want fat mothers to be prosecuted too I take it?
If you're putting the wellbeing of the foetus before everything, you'll have to agree.

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/aug/13/obese-mother-babies-early-death

Coconutspongexo · 04/08/2017 09:17

You don't need to link me to stuff to do with infant deaths, women's health perintalal and neonatal health etc, I've had papers published on it.

There's a difference between weight and smoking, I was anorexic whilst pregnant btw, changing of lifestyle should be top of an expectant mother's priorities if her foetus is at risk.

There is plenty of help out there to quit smoking whilst pregnant, there's actually less help for those with weight issues. This isn't the point of this thread though.

treaclesoda · 04/08/2017 09:20

And you should probably prosecute women who work in stressful jobs, because all that adrenalin coursing through the veins isn't good for a baby either. And women who exercise too much.

And diabetics. There are risks to the baby if you don't control your blood sugar well enough. The threat of prosecution would focus their minds I'm sure.

We could go the whole hog and if a pregnant woman gets knocked down or has a car accident, we should prosecute her for leaving the house and exposing her unborn child to danger. Actually, I know someone who was eight months pregnant and was knocked down on a zebra crossing and her unborn son died. Maybe on top of the loss of her son she should have been charged with manslaughter for exposing him to harm in the first place.

Coconutspongexo · 04/08/2017 09:21

You're actually stating ridiculous stuff now it's not even a proper debate GrinGrin

itshappening · 04/08/2017 09:40

OP, what you should do is quite clear I think. The priority here is the child due to be born. First of all, get a paternity test when you can, get that finalised and certain. Second, assuming that this is your child, step up and be a father. You may not move there, that is up to you, but it is certainly close enough for you to visit regularly. Third, but very important, do not for the time being have any kind of romantic relationship with this woman. Perhaps that will develop or re emerge in time, but right now you can't afford to have feelings good or bad towards her complicate things. You need to focus on your role as father and establishing how that will work, without tying it up with your feelings for her.

Imstickingwiththisone · 04/08/2017 09:46

OP babies are wonderful. I think unless you really do not want children then having contact will only enhance yours and that baby's life. Start learning French now and be a part of that kid's life. You can visit once a month as has been suggested and take it from there.

It's ok to be scared of the unknown but don't let it sway your decision. You will regret it and that baby doesn't deserve to have you abandon him.

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 04/08/2017 09:47

OP contrary to many of the over dramatic posters on here I think you actually sound like a reasonable (maybe even decent!) person.

The sensible thing to do now is to draw a line under all that happened in the past. Ruminating on it will not help you, you have a big job ahead of you.

Focus your energy now on working out how you will be a part of this child's life and keep things civil with his mum. Over time if it works out it could be one of the best accidents that ever happened to you.

heron98 · 04/08/2017 09:55

I think she's behaved quite badly by lying to you about the termination and you've every right to feel hurt and angry. I also think you wanting her to terminate is perfectly natural given the circumstances and it doesn't sound to me like you pressured her in any way.

That said, I think that you should try your hardest to maintain a relationship with the child. I don't think you need move to France a poster above glibly suggested (yes, because it's that simple?) but Paris is not that far and you can easily see your son every few weeks and on Skype.

FluffyPineapple · 04/08/2017 11:42

Mouseclogs yes I'm for real...

OP considers smoking to be child abuse... yet terminating his child seems to be ok. I wonder why?

If he is not ready to be a father - and it's clear from his OP that he doesn't relish the thought of fatherhood - he should stop shagging women (especially those who live in another country as it seems being present in his child's life will cause SO much hardship for HIM!)

Youknowbest · 04/08/2017 11:56

@ fluffy pineapple

The smoking thing was once she had confirmed that she was definitely keeping it ! If you plan to keep a child, smoking through your pregnancy is infinitely worse that smoking while planning an abortion (as was the case )

Yes, I admit that my desire for the abortion was for selfish reasons but having lied to me about the abortion for months on end because 'she loves the baby' I then see her smoking like a bonfire at 7 months !

Surely you can work out the difference ?

OP posts:
FluffyPineapple · 04/08/2017 12:05

You would have known the girl you were shagging was a smoker. If you didn't want the mother of your child to smoke throughout her pregnancy you should have thought about that before shagging her. You do realise sexual intercourse is meant for reproduction do you?

Don't tell me you used contraception and your manhood is so big the condom split??

Anyway it's not really about the mother smoking is it? You just want to apportion the blame for your actions to someone else

MouseClogs · 04/08/2017 12:46

FluffyPineapple, that's an absurd argument and you know it. Aborting a pregnancy virtually always takes place before the foetus is sentient, therefore it does no suffer in any way from its own termination as it ceases to exist before it can perceive its own existence. Whereas smoking during a pregnancy that is being kept to term is to subject an actual child to suffering. It's daft to the point of farce to compare the two.

And his issue is not that she smoked, good god! It's that she continued to smoke DURING THE PREGNANCY. Even if he'd known her for 20 years he'd have had no notion she would do that!

These are very basic logical points. As I say, you're reaching on an epic scale.

Atenco · 04/08/2017 13:08

Dippingmytoesin and OP. I am not advocating smoking during pregnancy but my mother was a heavy smoker back in the day when everyone smoked and nobody worried about smoking during pregnancy. My oldest sister is nearly 75 and still goes to the gym everyday. We are all healthy. I am the healthiest of all my friends.

The idea of prosecuting pregnant women who smoke is total madness.