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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

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Dustbunny1900 · 03/08/2017 01:02

"Try and forget the child altogether"
Well hell,, just flip a coin! Heads you totally abandon your parental responsibilities and your own child (no biggie) or tails you give it a go, just for the hell of it right?
What the actual feck. I hope for the kids sake it's not yours if you take such a flippant attitude towards your own offspring 🤔😑
I mean come on

MintCassis · 03/08/2017 01:04

Did you have unprotected sex when she was over in February? Is it possible she fell pregnant on that trip and not the one before?

SilverBirchWithout · 03/08/2017 01:09

None of the dates make sense.
You do realise a pregnancy lasts 40 weeks/9 months?
Quite a good plot, although Paris, France is a bit of a cliche..

OkPedro · 03/08/2017 01:10

I can't understand how it's ok for a woman to decide she wants to end an unwanted pregnancy or continue with the pregnancy but if the man decides he doesnt want to be a father.. "He should have thought about that before having sex"
If I have sex as a woman and I become pregnant, no one is going to tell me i should keep or terminate the pregnancy. If the father doesn't want to know the baby then so be it..
What am I missing?

kali110 · 03/08/2017 01:12

I'm not sure where people are getting the info from that he bullied her into a late term abortion and was disappointed at the lack of one? yeah, he was relieved about it but that's not necessarily a bad thing, he's upset at the breach of trust and the fact that she lied about having an abortion :/
No i can't see any evidence that he's bullying either Hmm
Why exactly should he be getting a hard time?
He's scared and his gf has lied to him.
I'd say b.
You can't forget about your child ( im hoping this wasn't really an option).
You have to find a way to have a relationship with your ex, even if its not a romantic one as she's going to be the mother of your child.
Whether you can move past her lying to you about this is up to you ( i agree its a huge breach of trust).
I disagree that just because your young means you can simply swan off to Paris.
Think about whether you'll be able to go visit, will she be able to visit here?
Then in the future would you be able to move?

AcrossthePond55 · 03/08/2017 01:46

On the chance that this is real, option B.

And you should start learning French. If your child is going to be raised in a French-speaking family environment and educated in France you have no guarantee that s/he will learn English.

GreeboIsACutePussPuss · 03/08/2017 01:48

this all sounds a bit odd. Have you seen any scan pictures? had you before she decided on the abortion? the dates don't add up.

Obviously you should find a way to have a relationship with your child, I think you already knew that, maybe one day you'll be able to trust the mother, maybe not but either way you need to at least be able to talk to each other.

Paris is not actually so far from London that you can't see each other, i mean popping over for the afternoon isn't realistic but depending on finances regular visits might be. Or is moving to Paris something you might consider?

LilQueenie · 03/08/2017 02:16

Stick around for the child. demand a dna test but don't deny the child over her decisions. Am I not right in thinking paris is around half an hour away from london? No reason to stop being a father.

MargaretCavendish · 03/08/2017 02:35

Am I not right in thinking paris is around half an hour away from london?

Gosh, the Eurostar has got quick now!

KoalaDownUnder · 03/08/2017 02:56

What am I missing?

The fact that before birth, the woman has the final say as the embryo/foetus is growing in her body.

Whereas after it is born, the child deserves both parents who contributed to its existence to take responsibility.

What part of this is confusing for you??

RedBullBlood · 03/08/2017 02:56

The Eurostar has got quicker and pregnancies last longer than they used to! The things you learn from Mumsnet. Op, please come back and clarify those dates - they're well off.

namechangedforthisreply · 03/08/2017 03:27

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MargaretCavendish · 03/08/2017 03:37

The Eurostar has got quicker and pregnancies last longer than they used to!

Maybe the two are connected - in these Brexit-y days, time goes a bit funny as you cross the channel.

GreeboIsACutePussPuss · 03/08/2017 04:03

LilQueenie it's about two and a quarter hours from London to Paris by eurostar, but yeah, certainly not far enough to stop OP being a father.

Rayche1 · 03/08/2017 04:10

I'm not sure what there is to forgive - breach of trust?? Ffs she couldn't go through with it & was scared to tell you. It's her body you're wanting to kill something inside.

I agree with pp, you're 50% responsible for this situation, stop blaming her & find a way round it. French is easy, Bon chance Smile

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/08/2017 04:28

Could you seriously do a? B or c. It's going to be hard.

SleightOfHand · 03/08/2017 04:31

I've read the OP twice now and can't see any mention of the Eurostar or that they first met in January. Confused

mogulfield · 03/08/2017 04:42

Did you not notice she was still pregnant on FaceTime or did you see her at all? The bump would've been quite big by this point surely?

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/08/2017 04:44

I should have also mentioned breach of trust. The moment you had sex with her, you risked creating a baby. You do get that, right? And the moment the sperm enters her body, it is the woman, who 100% has the right to decide what happens to her body. Didn't you get that? So no, there is no real breach of trust. She sounds very confused if it took her so long to make a decision.

My dh is French. If you want a relationship with your child - assuming it's yours, best to keep her sweet. And I don't mean continue a romantic relationship when you don't want one. Dh has 2 friends, whose partners ran off with the babies whilst they were living together. Women not in the best mental health. The first, married at the time, managed to track her down after 18 months and she ended up handing the child back to him some time later. The second, not married, hired a private detective to find her. The authorities did not treat either case as abduction and he was told not to approach her or the child otherwise he would be arrested. This dragged through the courts for years as she gave everyone the run around before he ran out of money and gave up. We also have a British friend in the uk, who lived in France for a while and fathered a child. All was well until she met someone new and the woman made it impossible for him to see his son. He moved back to the uk in the end as she has forced him out. He travelled back and forth to agreed meet ups and she simply didn't turn up. His son is now an adult and thanks to the son's wife, our friend is now reconnecting with his long lost son.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 03/08/2017 04:52

None of these dates make sense

RedBullBlood · 03/08/2017 04:54

Sleight, it was a previous poster who suggested op visit his baby in France as she (pp) thought France was only a half hour trip from London, that's where the Eurostar comment came from. Op doesn't say when he met his gf, but says she was a 'few months' pregnant by March.

SleightOfHand · 03/08/2017 04:58

Ah ok, thank you Red

DancingOnMyOwn · 03/08/2017 05:00

I was going to write a long reply but I think this sums it up... Confused

RebootYourEngine · 03/08/2017 05:07

Two and a quarter hours? Thats no time at all. Thats about the same time it takes to get from london to manchester.

Dont know what you are stressing about. Im assuming you dont work 7 days a week. You can see your child regularly.

VisitorFromAlphaStation · 03/08/2017 05:10

Congratulations to becoming a dad!

Alternative a) could lead to you being tracked down by an entire TV team in about twenty years time, when the child has written to some TV show to join, and is looking for their help to track down their hitherto unknown biological dad, so that's probably not an option.

Alternative b) is an option and you'll become a Skype dad, but as someone will have to turn on Skype, so option c) might be the best choice.

As for French you could go look for a crash course. Search the word 'ceran lingua'.

I had a colleague once, a lone mother, whose child's dad lived in Cyprus (!) if I recall things correctly. Toward the end the (now adult) child went on his own to visit, and the dad and son had a very good relationship by all accounts. There are many such examples if you look around.

In any case you don't have to solve all issues at once.