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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

OP posts:
ParentingEnnuie · 04/08/2017 13:19

YouknowBest

There's no apostrophe in its

it's means it is

FluffyPineapple · 05/08/2017 00:12

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/08/2017 00:26

You would have known the girl you were shagging was a smoker. If you didn't want the mother of your child to smoke throughout her pregnancy you should have thought about that before shagging her

That is a ridiculous point. It is hardly unreasonable to think a pregnant woman who intends to continue with a pregnancy might give up smoking.

And he was shagging a woman , not a girl.

kali110 · 05/08/2017 00:29

You would have known the girl you were shagging was a smoker. If you didn't want the mother of your child to smoke throughout her pregnancy you should have thought about that before shagging her. You do realise sexual intercourse is meant for reproduction do you?

Agree with others, you can't see the difference between smoking when she was going to get rid of the baby and now continuing to smoke when she's decided to keep it?
Sex is for reproduction?
So just that then?

FluffyPineapple · 05/08/2017 00:34

*That is a ridiculous point. It is hardly unreasonable to think a pregnant woman who intends to continue with a pregnancy might give up smoking.

And he was shagging a woman , not a girl.*

As you like... Do you know the age of the woman/girl? Nobody else is privy to that - not that it matters of course..

In an ideal world a father to be would be delighted to be a prospective father. Sadly we now live in a world where everyone seems to think they are entitled to do what they want... They don't have to think about how their offspring will be fed, homed, nutured.... The British taxpayer will stump up... hey ho!

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/08/2017 00:40

As you like... Do you know the age of the woman/girl? Nobody else is privy to that - not that it matters of course..

I'll hazard a wild guess that she is over 16 given she already has a 6 year old son. She might be a young woman but she is certainly not a girl.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/08/2017 00:42

Btw Fluffy if you are wondering what the whooshing noise is , it is the point sailing over your head.

RedBullBlood · 05/08/2017 03:07

Op is 32 and says gf is 7 years older. Deffo not a girl!

pilates · 05/08/2017 03:37

Get a paternity test and then option b.

Saltandpepperpig · 05/08/2017 07:43

They don't have to think about how their offspring will be fed, homed, nutured.... The British taxpayer will stump up... hey ho!

I didn't realise we pay for kids in France now too!

Littlechip · 05/08/2017 08:08

So much hypocrisy in the 'advice' given on this thread. Fluffy, don't bother, you clearly hate the OP because he's male. She lied and smoked throughout her pregnancy but god forbid anyone judge a woman for the choices she makes.

Youknowbest · 05/08/2017 09:49

The British taxpayer definitely won't be involved, don't worry !

OP posts:
FluffyPineapple · 05/08/2017 11:22

So much hypocrisy in the 'advice' given on this thread. Fluffy, don't bother, you clearly hate the OP because he's male. She lied and smoked throughout her pregnancy but god forbid anyone judge a woman for the choices she makes.

I have nothing at all against males thank you. I can't for the life of me see why the mother of hisbaby smoking is relevant in his decision as to whether to be in his sons life - can you?

For those saying the taxpayer won't be stumping up in this case - my comment was about people who screw around in general, and produce children they can't afford simply because they don't have to make decisions like family planning anymore. But you will find that if the father is living and working in the UK child benefit will be given to him for his child. Plus there is nothing to say he won't gain residence of the child and have him living here in the UK - except of course thats not what OP wants....

He shagged around. She got pregnant. He was relieved when she said she was having an abortion. She changed her mind. He's panicking in case he actually has to show some responsibility for the life he helped to create - tough titty!

Atenco · 06/08/2017 03:42

people who screw around in general, and produce children they can't afford simply because they don't have to make decisions like family planning anymore

I live in Mexico and there is zero support for families and single mothers and yet there are still the mad ones who have loads of children. Really, IMHO, there are eejits all over the world and the only thing society can do is to look after the children they bring into this world, or live with the consequences of leaving children in extreme poverty and neglect who grow up to be decidedly anti-social

Anmi0802 · 06/08/2017 12:57

Op I feel for you, just because you are a man you aren't suppose to have feelings. I have seen here so many women saying they don't feel 'that' love for her kids even after they are born and all mn say it's all right, it happens and it's normal but you aren't allowed to feel the same just because you are a man.
Now you are going to be a father and after the baby comes you will see how nice it is to have one. Try your best to be a good father and it all it matters from now on.
But get this calculations right and get a DNA test just in case. If she lied once she can lie again
Good luck

ljny · 01/09/2017 12:51

'Now you are going to be a father'.

Good luck. Do get a DA test and start learning French. Will you be listed on the birth certificate?

It's time to start talking with the mother and planning. London-to-Paris is doable. Congratulations!

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