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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

OP posts:
ButchyRestingFace · 03/08/2017 05:27

Is English not your first language, OP?

Anyway, b).

lmer · 03/08/2017 05:39

The dates seem wrong??

Friolero · 03/08/2017 05:52

As lots of people have said the dates don't add up at all - can you come back and clarify OP.

Megha22 · 03/08/2017 06:43

Hi, i believe its a new life, you need to give it a chance try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow , because why not, she lied maybe cause you both believed in different things and for women it is hard and emotionally damaging even to have an abotion, this explains things well.

SoupDragon · 03/08/2017 07:20

she couldn't go through with it & was scared to tell you.

Don't make stuff up.

Sparklingbrook · 03/08/2017 07:22

I think if you want 'good responses and advice' you need to clarify quite a few things in your OP TBH.

Oh and AIBU is not a serious topic.

wellhonestly · 03/08/2017 07:30

Slightly derailing, but - Confused Sparklingbrook I certainly think AIBU can be a serious topic, it depends on the post.

Sparklingbrook · 03/08/2017 07:36

Not really. If you want proper advice any other topic is better than AIBU.Confused

treaclesoda · 03/08/2017 07:39

Why are you calling a grown adult a girl and a baby an it?

StillDrivingMeBonkers · 03/08/2017 07:41

Is she really pregnant? When was the last time you saw her? and have you seen any scans? Are you sure you're the father and she's not palming a later pregnancy off on you (seeing as you're so confused with dates)

NapQueen · 03/08/2017 07:43

B. And insist on a paternity test once baby is here.

YogiYoni · 03/08/2017 07:49

I think the dates can work... 14+ weeks by the end of March = due at the start of October.

Op, I mean this kindly, but reread your opening post. It's all about you. Try to see this from the point of view of the 'girl' you were seeing. Even more importantly, see it with your unborn child's needs as the most important ones.

I don't think you can plan this too much tbh. All you can do is to be a supportive, good man. Forget any kind of romance and focus on building trust. Listen to what she wants in terms of support in the run up to the birth (how can you help? Does she want you at birth? Do any practical changes need making to her flat?)

After the birth, be at the end of a phone for support, visit regularly, pay a decent amount of maintenance, have no expectations of your relationship, be led by the mother (as main carer) in terms of what is best for your child. Don't expect to have a say in terms of bottle/breast, sleep training, schooling etc, unless your relationship drastically changes and you build a much stronger bond with both mother and child. Don't expect overnight visits to you until the child is much older. Do listen. A lot.

Good luck Flowers

Crunchymum · 03/08/2017 07:50

I'm surprised no one has picked up on the smoking? Shame on you all Grin

WellErrr · 03/08/2017 07:50

OP is now wishing they tried harder at maths and sex ed in school Grin

JigglyTuff · 03/08/2017 07:50

She's a woman with a lot of free t e if she's a single parent to a 6YO Hmm

RedBullBlood · 03/08/2017 07:52

I noticed the smoking bit, Crunchy. Op describes a pregnant woman smoking as a child abuser, this is after admitting to be 'hugely relieved' when he thought the baby had been aborted. Which is more damaging to the baby I wonder?

SoupDragon · 03/08/2017 07:53

Why are you calling a grown adult a girl and a baby an it?

The girl is kind of condescending (but common) but the sex of the baby is unknown. It is an it.

RedBullBlood · 03/08/2017 07:55

My unborn son will live abroad..., Soup.

Sparklingbrook · 03/08/2017 07:56

And yet the thread title says 'unborn son'. Confused

ParadiseCity · 03/08/2017 07:56

Clearly there is a timeslip thingy in the Channel Confused

user1495346531 · 03/08/2017 07:57

Are you sure it's a son? Are you Rob Titchenor? (Of Archers fame)

Mummyoflittledragon · 03/08/2017 07:58

WellErrr Grin

00100001 · 03/08/2017 08:04

To give birth "in October" means her earliest due date is 1 October.

40 weeks earlier means she conceived around the last week of December. (26-1jan)

So, that means she would be in week 14 (French abortion limit) on the March 27-april 2

So if he was told around week 4 (16-23 Jan) then it may have felt like. "Few months" they were talking?

Its all a bit vague really

AnnieAnoniMouse · 03/08/2017 08:08

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spinassienne · 03/08/2017 08:12

Haven?t workd out the dates but French pregnancies arr 41 weeks not 40 so that gives an extra week to play with. OP if this is true I know people who go Paris>London every other weekend to maintain contact, so it can be done.