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My unborn son will live abroad, how can I be a part of it's life ?

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Youknowbest · 03/08/2017 00:09

Hi Everyone, firstly can I say I'm here because I've obviously got a huge issue forthcoming and secondly because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point.

I live and work in London and was 'seeing' a Parisian French girl who was easily the nicest person I had met in recent years after a very hurtful breakup. She is 7 years older than me with a son who is 6 and they live in Paris.

Once she returned to Paris we were in fairly regular contact although I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant and that she was intending to keep the baby. This horrified me initially because I barely know this woman and she lives abroad. How could I possibly be a father to a child who lives abroad ? My father was very good to me and the prospect of being an absent father scared me deeply.

We retained good dialogue in spite of the difficulties and over the course of the next few months I began to be more logical about the situation and suggested different arrangements, including her moving to England. Her spoken English is pretty good and I speak next to no French. She then came to visit me in London. We had a lovely time together and started to develop very romantic feelings toward each other. At the conclusion of the weekend, she said that she wanted to terminate the pregnancy because the situation was senseless and unworkable. she was also smoking a lot at this point.

I was obviously very relieved with this news. She returned to France, booked an abortion in the Netherlands which was arranged for March. I tried to get time off work to be with her at the clinic in Holland but wasn't able too but she travelled to Holland alone and told me that the termination was successful. Because we had developed great feelings for each other and also because of the stress involved, we later booked a short holiday together to try to forget the past.

Moving on, a week before our holiday we had been messaging each other quite happily when she decides to tell me that she lied entirely about the abortion and that she was expecting the baby in October ! This was honestly an incredibly hurtful breach of trust which I thought I would never recover from. I still don't really know why she did it but I suspect she wanted to have the baby in secret to cut me out and then felt guilty about it. I wanted to cancel our holiday but my mum convinced me to be strong enough to go, so I went.

The holiday was very strange with loads of incredibly confused feelings. She was smoking heavily again and I upset her when I basically described it a child abuse to the unborn child. That said though we enjoyed ourselves well enough and had a nice time. Obviously I have no control over the situation so just try to be as civil as I can but now I'm back in England I'm struggling so hard to know what to do;

Do I

a) Try to forget the mother and the child altogether ?

b) Try to maintain contact with the child but accept that a relationship with the mother is impossible because of this huge breach of trust

c) try to find a way to forgive her and try to form some sort of relationship for the future somehow ?

I appreciate that this is a long post but I think to get good responses and advice its really important to get the details across. Thankyou so much

OP posts:
JeReviens · 03/08/2017 08:14

If people are going to run book plots through MN as if they were true, they should get some basic facts straight first

SO this!
My only thought on reading the OP was that the writer would never make an author!

treaclesoda · 03/08/2017 08:14

'it' really winds me up. Although I'm possibly letting personal feelings come into that because my MIL calls my children 'it' and they are school aged children Hmm

nakedscientist · 03/08/2017 08:16

In holland it's 21 weeks. The "few months" of discussion probably took her beyond 14 weeks
Well then her baby would be due in July/August
d) she's confused/desperate and its another pregnancy or there is no pregnancy
e) you're confused

Is it possible that she thinks that saying she's pregnant my keep you interested in her/get you to move in with her or smoother reason?
Either way you really need to find out what is actually going on.

SoupDragon · 03/08/2017 08:20

Yeah, I've just realised the thread title. Only one of many inconsistencies though.

DearTeddyRobinson · 03/08/2017 08:21

If she is pregnant, how do you know it's yours?? Get her to give you some accurate dates before you get carried away.
On the off chance this is genuine Hmm, option B.

crunchermuncher · 03/08/2017 08:22

You 'couldn't get time off work ' to accompany and support her for a stressful medical procedure that you were partly responsible for? I'm sure you'd have managed if it was your medical procedure.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/08/2017 08:28

I noticed the smoking bit, Crunchy. Op describes a pregnant woman smoking as a child abuser, this is after admitting to be 'hugely relieved' when he thought the baby had been aborted. Which is more damaging to the baby I wonder?

What is your point?

Smoking heavily is bad for a baby. If the pregnancy were proceeding it is entirely logical to care about that aspect despite the pregnancy being unwanted from his point of view . That is not inconsistent with being relieved if she decides not to proceed with it.

Neutrogena · 03/08/2017 08:34

A) Forget her and the child.

A 'real' father helps bring up his kid.
You're a sperm donor.
Not your fault - you sound like a good man, but there is nothing but heartache in the future for you and your biological son if you maintain contact.

Change you phone number, move house, and stay off grid.

LaurieFairyCake · 03/08/2017 08:37

Get a job. Support your child. See your child as much as possible.

Come back in 18 years for more advice when you've done the above.

KeiraKnightleyActsWithHerTeeth · 03/08/2017 08:44

I think the dates could work.
French pregnancies are dated with a due date of 40+6.

If her last period was at the middle of Jan and she conceived around the end of Jan the her baby would be due mid-late Oct.

Cailleach666 · 03/08/2017 08:48

I wasn't 100% convinced I was going to commit purely because of the distance. Some weeks later she told me that she was pregnant

Why did you make a woman pregnant if you were not sure the relationship would last?

emmyrose2000 · 03/08/2017 08:56

If this is true, how do you (A) know it's yours?, and (B) know it's a boy?

Floellabumbags · 03/08/2017 08:57

What an educational thread.

French pregnancies last longer.
It takes roughly the same amount of time to get from London to Paris by Eurostar as it takes to get from Edinburgh to York.
Abortion limits in France and Holland are different.
Brexit has caused a timeslip (this is not the most unbelievable thing on this thread)

ButchyRestingFace · 03/08/2017 08:58

Why are you calling a grown adult a girl and a baby an it?

That's what you find problematic??

spinassienne · 03/08/2017 08:58

yes Keira, in fact those were exactly my pregnancy dates, conceived late Jan and had DS late October.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/08/2017 08:59

If her last period was at the middle of Jan and she conceived around the end of Jan the her baby would be due mid-late Oct

On that timing in she was within the 14 week limit for an abortion in France in March- why go to the Netherlands?

RedBullBlood · 03/08/2017 09:01

If she conceived at the end of January how did "a few months" only take them to March? It's a stretch...

FloofyCat · 03/08/2017 09:09

"because I've read responses from people on other threads and found them to be very empathetic and considerate. Maybe I can help others at some point."

Said no person ever as they posted in AIBU for the first time. I don't even need to read on, really Grin

Miserylovescompany2 · 03/08/2017 09:11

Have you actually seen any scan pictures? (With her name/date etc on)

MommaGee · 03/08/2017 09:51

If her last period was at the middle of Jan and she conceived around the end of Jan the her baby would be due mid-late Oct
Yes but there isn't time between mid Jan and mid March to find out, go on holiday, talk about it a few months and then book an abortion for March. At least she'd need to concieve late Nov / early Dec

MargaretTwatyer · 03/08/2017 09:55

soupdragon can you think of any other plausible reason that a woman would say she was having an abortion, then continue a long distance relationship as normal until after the abortion limit then confess?

I suppose there might be some sort of convoluted explanation but the obvious one is that she was scared for the OP to know until after she couldn't be pushed. Apparently quite wisely.

Hortonlovesahoo · 03/08/2017 10:00

I'm seriously confused by the timings and dates. Are you sure it's yours? Then secondly, id be working out what you can do to get to know your child in future.

Meeep · 03/08/2017 10:09

If you don't try to be in your son's life you could regret it forever. Even if you don't live in the same country you can have a worthwhile relationship. And Paris isn't that far.
I would agree that trying to learn French is a good idea.
Who knows where life might take you in the future, she might end up in England eventually, you could end up in France one day, whether you're together or not.
Good luck and congratulations on becoming a dad.

CatsRidingRollercoasters · 03/08/2017 10:10

As a pp said, the fact that you've even listed a as an option tells me all I need to know about your character.

Your dates don't add up at all.

If this is true, of course you should be involved in your child's life. You don't need to be in a relationship with the mother.

Move your ass to Paris right now. It really is that simple.

SoupDragon · 03/08/2017 10:20

soupdragon can you think of any other plausible reason that a woman would say she was having an abortion, then continue a long distance relationship as normal until after the abortion limit then confess?

Yes. That she was prepared to raise the child without the knowledge of the OP. which is just as plausible as a woman who is scared to tell the OP she hasn't had a termination carrying o a relationship with him.

We don't know why she lied. Making stuff up is unhelpful.