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AIBU to think men should not be allowed in female prisons?

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SmileEachDay · 02/08/2017 00:36

https://fairplayforwomen.com/prisons-safe-space

This seems interesting and factual...

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Datun · 03/08/2017 08:43

NaiceHam

I vehemently disagree that sexual assault of any description is a suitable punishment, no matter what the crime! If you are any part of the decision-making process, I suggest this may not be the job for you.

With regards to regarding all men as sexual predators, I'm sure you've heard of Shrödinger's Rapist.

Unfortunately men do not come with a label. Women have no way of knowing if someone is a potential predator or not. And given that a rapist will often be someone you know, clearly they are very good at hiding it.

You've also asserted that men and women are different and it's not just due to socialisation. So men making up 98% of sexual predators is something they can't help? And at the same time you expect us to be happy with them in our spaces.

I'm not sure you've thought this through.

The issue of whether or not transwomen have a female brain is kind of moot in this regard. They commit sexual and violent crime at exactly the same rate as natal men.

The question of whether or not they should be allowed in a women's prison is based on that and the fact that being trans is objectively unidentifiable and unverifiable. It's entirely subjective.

NaiceHam · 03/08/2017 10:27

You seem intent on ignoring the content of my replies. Oh well.

Datun · 03/08/2017 11:08

You said

"I think the difference in opinion comes down to me thinking that we can't treat all men as potential predators."

I addressed it.

You said

"I think that there are differences in men and women and this goes beyond reproductive organs. I don't think this is because of socialisation -"

I addressed it.

You reposted

C'mon, tell me how far a woman has to go, before you consider sexual assault as collateral damage.

And added

"Videoing a 6 year old boy die of internal bleeding because she'd inserted a broom handle into him. She sold the recordings. A case I was involved with."

I addressed it.

But in the interests of clarity, do you think that men should be housed in women's prisons? And if so, why? Taking into account the reasons why many women think it's wrong.

deadringer · 03/08/2017 12:36

We are on page 8 now and I am still patiently waiting for naiceham to provide links/evidence that 'only' 75% of sexual crimes are committed by men. Hard to take their argument seriously after a statement like that when statistics usually put it at 95 -99%.

SmileEachDay · 03/08/2017 12:41

Naice

I have repeatedly said this is not about transwomen.

How do you stop men taking advantage of the change in the law to harm women?

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bambambini · 03/08/2017 21:06

It is about transwomen. It is about men. It's sbout "woman" being redefined by males so that it now means nothing at all but a feeling or idea in someone's head.

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