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To think it's inevitable that JC will be PM and TM should just let it happen ASAP

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brexitstolemyfuture · 02/07/2017 20:04

They are now pretty much at the same popularity and in the years to come there will be millions more Labour voters and millions of Tory voters that will pass away. It's pretty much a done deal right? So why doesn't TM just go now?

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MorrisZapp · 02/07/2017 20:05

If TM goes now then her deputy (whoever the hell that is) would get in. JC wasn't voted in.

BizzyFizzy · 02/07/2017 20:06

Labour lost the general election by quite a big margin. JC supporters need to remember this.

brexitstolemyfuture · 02/07/2017 20:07

He wasn't, but lots of people didn't vote as they couldn't see it happening. He could easily get the 10-20% extra to get a majority of the vote was soon imo.

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thereallochnessmonster · 02/07/2017 20:07

Um, well, let's think about it for a moment.

Probably because he didn't win the election and so has no majority and no mandate to form a parliament?

Because we've just had an election and that's not how democracy works??

Because anything could happen over the next four years?

Hmm
StickThatInYourPipe · 02/07/2017 20:08

Oh god I hope not! We need better choices tbh

brexitstolemyfuture · 02/07/2017 20:08

But don't you see it's inevitable as the older voters die and younger people become able to vote?

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thereallochnessmonster · 02/07/2017 20:09

Wel, the 'lots of people who didn't vote' were silly and only have themselves to blame.

I think the turnout was about average for a GE.

thereallochnessmonster · 02/07/2017 20:09

No, because not all younger voters will vote for labour...

LouHotel · 02/07/2017 20:09

Im a labour party member and no way in hell do i want us in charge of the shop when it goes down over EU falls.

What we have now is the best possible outcome. The conservatives will have to fight tooth and nail to get any realy nasty austerity measures through without there backbenchers revolting, all the whole Labour increase their vote margin.

Come 2022 it will be a Labout government for a solid 15 years.

LouHotel · 02/07/2017 20:10

*Ship not shop ffs

theothersideoftheworld · 02/07/2017 20:10

JC himself might not even be around in 4 years!

StickThatInYourPipe · 02/07/2017 20:10

Lots of people didn't vote, and to be honest they don't have a voice in my opinion.

They equally are not allowed to moan about the outcome as they couldn't be bothered to get off their arse and get to the polling station

YouWouldntLetItLie · 02/07/2017 20:10

Yeah, I think it's inevitable that eventually I'll have the money to buy that nice house down the road, so really the logical thing would be for the current owners to give it to me now, so I can get the benefit of it.

TheNewSchmoo · 02/07/2017 20:13

You are sounding a little Corbyn brain washed. Do you actually believe that if every one who didn't vote last time, were to vote, they would all vote Labour?

MorrisZapp · 02/07/2017 20:14

Look. I'm a Corbyn supporter but the 'all the old tories will die anyway' argument is baloney.

Here in Scotland the nationalists fervently believe that as the old uptight gits all pop their clogs and the bright young lovely liberal youth become the dominant demographic we will all be finally free.

But it won't happen. Because it isn't this particular bunch of oldies that skew to the right or this particular set of youngsters that bear left. It's how it always will be. Today's young radical is tomorrow's careful saver.

ADuckNamedSplash · 02/07/2017 20:14

But don't you see it's inevitable as the older voters die and younger people become able to vote?

So you recognise that older voters tend to be more right-wing than younger voters, but you think the older voters will simply die out and leave left-wing ones? Confused I think you'll find that what more commonly happens is people become more right-wing as they age...

witwootoodleoo · 02/07/2017 20:14

It's not inevitable that as more young people come through everyone will eventually be Labour supporters at all Confused

People that are currently young will get older and may change political allegiance. Many people start out left wing and then become right wing as they get older and have to start paying more tax. I've certainly moved through the political spectrum myself. At uni all my friends were very left wing - most of them are now Tory voters.

I'm in no way saying everyone changes their views, but it is foolish to assume that a) all young people are Labour voters and b) they'll stay that way as they get older.

StickThatInYourPipe · 02/07/2017 20:14

Schmoo says it all really

brexitstolemyfuture · 02/07/2017 20:14

Not all young voters but the majority will.

Lou you actually make a really good point, but it would be good to stop brexit now. The vote was so close and if it was called again could easily be remain with the upswing of new people that voted and lots of the older demographic now dead.

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WhatToDoAboutThis2017 · 02/07/2017 20:15

Thankfully, OP, Corbyn will never be PM.

Fiddlestikks · 02/07/2017 20:16

It's not a inevitable. Nothing in politics is inevitable. Nothing in life is inevitable, except my two year old taking hours to get to sleep.

He didn't win the election. He may not be leader at the next election. Not every young voter voted for him.

I can't see how he could win a general election anytime in the future. He'd have to win over Scotland, plus vast areas of England that would not go for his type of Labour leader. It's not just a case of increasing vote numbers, which he could potentially do. It's a case of increasing vote numbers in particular areas. Tory areas. SNP areas. Lib Dem areas.

InfiniteSheldon · 02/07/2017 20:16

This is quite a terrifying post OP do you really believe what you're saying?

Allthebestnamesareused · 02/07/2017 20:16

All the young voters who voted for Corbyn on the basis of banning tuition fees will go into the workplace and then not vote for Corbyn because they will become capitalist taxpayers!

ArcturianMegaDonkey · 02/07/2017 20:20

Now that Brexit is properly underway I can't see the Tories removing May or calling a GE. There will be squabbling within the Tory Party and squabbling within the Labour Party. Given that both May and Corbyn are pro Brexit, that a majority of young voters are pro EU, and that Brexit will now dominate British politics for years, it's hard for me to see young voters sustaining their current political enthusiasm. I tend to agree with the Corbyn critics - the recent GE was Labour's big chance to get into power but Corbyn just wasn't popular enough.

Wsix · 02/07/2017 20:20

OP - think of all the young left wing radicals in the 60s and 70s. They were the icon of a generation. They are now in their 60s and 70s and many are voting Tory. It happens. It will always happen. The average person moves to the right as they age. Not all of us, not my parents, but most of their friends.

And before many of this year's voters die of old age you may find Mr Corbyn himself becomes too old to govern.

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