To think it's inevitable that JC will be PM and TM should just let it happen ASAP

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They are now pretty much at the same popularity and in the years to come there will be millions more Labour voters and millions of Tory voters that will pass away. It's pretty much a done deal right? So why doesn't TM just go now?

No, she should hold out for as long as possible. Corbyn's plans are not financially feasible , (TM clearly made a massive mistake assuming that she would be stating the obvious in the run up to the general election), but he will dig us into a massive deficit that will take years and years of austerity to get out of.

I think if we do have another election, the conservatives will run a better campaign and hopefully some of electorate will have more sense.

It is interesting that many people do shift from left to right as they age. Certainly that's been true in my case.

the shift is due to becoming a tax payer. students can afford to be left wing because they don't have to pay for the ridiculous promises.

I sometimes also wonder if the things we are taught/encouraged to enjoy in schools have quite a liberal stance.

The young Labour supporters will move into the jobs market and start paying tax - a lot of them will leave their left leanings. Not all young people voted Labour, nor will they in the future. Politics is unpredictable at the moment, anything could happen, but one thing is certain, Labour lost. Tired of this obsession with Corby. A superannuated version of a student sat in his bedroom desperate to be popular and writing his next placard. Don't like May but find Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott opportunistic and dangerous chancers who hate this country and want to turn it into some commie state - not soft and fluffy Jezza at all, hard nosed communists.

The general election isn't like the referendum vote

The Tories still have 55 more seats than Labour that is a large number of seats and even after this shambolic election campaign the Tory vote was increased

Labour have to win the middle ground to win an election it won't happen with Labour moving to the left and as others have said the Tories won't make the same mistake again come the next election

I think why people change politically as they get older they become less idealistic I'm sure I would have thought Corbyn was great when I was younger but life changes your views I am still to the left but I would never vote Labour while Corbyn/McDonnell and Momentum are running the party

And Labour did run a great campaign to get so many people to vote

But Corbyn has been an absolutely useless opposition leader and is already proving to be again and where is the opposition to the Tory plans for Brexit that we all know Corbyn supports not becuase the country did but becuase he does himself

I think many people will become disillusioned will Labour especially now McDonnell will step out of the shadows he was hiding in during the election campaign

Personally i will never "flip from.left to right" unless i have a lobotomy.

I used to think that

I could reinsert your brain?

He has so not been a useless oppostion leader. He has been the best for a very long time.

Incidentally am 45. Life has changed my views to make me even more left wing.

He has so not been a useless oppostion leader. He has been the best for a very long time.

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Suppose we had another vote and it ended up 42% vs 40% but in Labour's favour. Would that be acceptable? Or should we just have endless "do-overs" until one party gets 50% or more?

If there was a a coalition then there wouldn't be a problem. What we have now is an awful mess and a government that has the power to do nothing and is already a shambles a few weeks in.

brexit you might want another general election but I want to be 9 stone and neither of those things are going to happen this year.

What's wrong with wanting something? We could possibly have another GE this year and if you are 14ish stone you could healthly get to 9, we've still got 6 months left.

Do the Tory U turns and their loss of majority not wipe the smile from your face?

That was to WhatToDo

Incidentally am 45. Life has changed my views to make me even more left wing

To clarify, I was being flippant Finally. I think people's political views can change in both directions, and none, as they grow older and as the world changes. I think to say that everyone moves to the right as they get older is very presumptuous and also just wrong. But I also think that to assume everyone's views stay exactly the same, as the OP seems to be suggesting, is wrong too.

Well am glad to see the OP has owned up to writing original posts while pissed! So much for "in vino veritas"

I'm happy with the current political situation, so my smile is still there

if TM stays (and I am one of her few fans by the way) then we get stability and we keep socialist policies out which we can't afford.
As I said to one of my Corbynite sons this week when he said the old die off, the young also become tax payers and workers....

There is an inevitable cycle that when you join the 50% of us who pay tax you realise you are the magic money tree and you want the state to live within its means so it can ensure those less well off are supported. If you spend spend spend the less well off might starve.

Bet it's less of a smug grin though

brexit What is your view on Corbyn's whip on voting on the amendment to the Queen's Speech brought by Chuka Umunna calling for the UK to remain part of the single market, and his subsequent sacking of front benchers who defied the whip?

Do you think all the people who voted Labour at the GE are happy with Corbyn's current Brexit stance?

Because the majority of the country did not vote for him and do not want him to be PM. Why do Labour voters think they won the election all of a sudden? They lost and got considerably less votes than the Conservatives.

I think Chuka is a sly snake and I don't trust him at all.

2.3% is hardly considerably less.

Lots of people aren't going right as they get older due to the housing, pension and jobs situation. Although I do agree it does happen and certainly happened in the past, it's not guaranteed to keep happening to the same magnatum.

He wasn't, but lots of people didn't vote as they couldn't see it happening

This could actually work in favour of the Conservatives too; many more may come out to support them to widen the gap. Lots of people who voted Labour voted with confidence that JC would not get in - our own Local MP actually reassured us we could chose to vote labour because JC was not going to be PM.