To think it's inevitable that JC will be PM and TM should just let it happen ASAP

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They are now pretty much at the same popularity and in the years to come there will be millions more Labour voters and millions of Tory voters that will pass away. It's pretty much a done deal right? So why doesn't TM just go now?

increasing minimum wage, ending public sector pay caps, offering free child care, cutting/abolishing tuition fees to encourage people to be educated to take higher paying jobs after uni

Ethel do you not see that all the examples that you have given relate almost wholly to people under 40.

I am not under 40. I am one of the net tax payers that will be paying for this and I like a lot of my peers wonder "what's in this for me, my family?"

Corbyn/Momentum came up with a shopping list. they still honestly believe in the soak the rich mantra that got the left well and truly hammered in the past.

the rich wont be soaked. they will move jobs and move country and move their money out because they are rich and because they can.

Corbyn/Momentums definition of the rich is interesting. its not me but its people earning not much more than me.

Why should tuition fees be free? if you want to encourage almost 50% of the 18 year olds to go to uni then its unaffordable. we could afford it when it was 5% but not now. And what about the 50% who don't go to uni. they will be on minimum wage and their taxes are paying for rich, middle class kids to get 6 hours contact time a week on a degree that has no relevance to work. God if that was me I would be incredibly bitter.

this is simple economics. if you want something that costs money then "someone" has to pay for it. That someone is us - you and me.

there is a labour party/momentum obsession with things being "free". However unpopular it makes me I am not in favour of free unis, free child care or increasing the minimum wage.

You can't say that the older Tories are going to die off and that JC will inevitably be PM given JCs age is older than some of the Tories you are hoping will die off

mummymeister I agree. I think a lot of people fail to see the implications bought about by things like a £10 minimum wage. I earn minimum wage and can't for the life of me work out how that work. The finicial implications for companies are astounding.
I work for a small company with around 10 staff (not all on minimum wage) and it's would cost my boss £25000 a year in extra wages just to put everyone on £10 that isn't including extra tax and NI and or including the fact that people are going to be peeved that they were earning £2 more an hour than someone in the same company because they were worth the extra and now they get paid the same because of a law change.
On average our product costs £500-700 to install and for most people is a one in 10/20 year purchase. How many extra would we have to sell to meet the shortfall? Our installations costs would have to nearly double making that extra money average Joe earned in the first place disappear into purchases not give everyone more spending money.
Can you imagine how much it would cost the big companies such as supermarkets and budget clothes shops??

If JC and TM have the same popularity now then you are saying that on her worst day TM is as good as JC on his best day. So why should JC be 'gifted' No 10 when he lost the election by quite a margin of seats and votes? Surly JC should stand down for missing such an open goal, in favor of someone who could have actually won the election.

Neither the DUP nor the Conservatives will call another election for nearly 4 years, JC supporting Brexit a lot can happen in that time.

I know several people who voted Labour as a protest, 'safe' in the belief that the Conservatives would win. But would never vote for Labour, now there is a danger JC could actually win.

I also know some people who didn't go out of their way to vote because the outcome was perceived as a forgone conclusion. Now their is a danger of JC winning they will go out of their way to vote to stop him getting in.

More than 68% of the young people that don't go to university might awake to the reality that JC would make them to pay the £30k+ a year for the other 32% of young people to go to university and get better paid jobs.

JC is no longer the underdog. The Conservatives will get, I hope, a younger more charismatic leader with a more sensible manifesto. JC is great at protesting but shows no sign of leadership other than massive monetary give-aways to young middle class voters with no credible plan on how to fund them.

Massive rises in the cost of living, lots of stealth taxes, unemployment, strikes... are all likely if JC was ever PM. Hopefully his manifesto will be properly debunked before the next election or if your leaving the UK you dont need to turn the lights out as we wont be able to pay the bill to have them on.

It all leads me to conclude Corbyn will never win a general election and we will have another coalition at the next election.

Oh and why do people not understand fucking democracy anymore. You vote, you win or you lose. You don't then get to have a fucking pathetic his system fit because it didn't go your way

Hissy fit not his system fit

Interesting post ethelfleda

mummy

Why should tuition fees be free? if you want to encourage almost 50% of the 18 year olds to go to uni then its unaffordable. we could afford it when it was 5% but not now. And what about the 50% who don't go to uni. they will be on minimum wage and their taxes are paying for rich, middle class kids to get 6 hours contact time a week on a degree that has no relevance to work

I agree. I think reducing university fees is a anti-wealth distribution step (there is a better phrase but I can't think what it is) and it seemed odd to me in the election campaign that Labour were proposing it, not the Tories. Similarly with the charging for care fees proposed by the Tories - this would have redistributed wealth from well-off pensioners (well, their heirs actually). Instead less well off people need to pay higher taxes so that some can inherit more. But Labour was vociferously opposing it. All quite odd and topsy-turvy to me.

Because people are increasingly fed up with the government and this mess they've gotten us all into. Tories have done an absolutely appalling job and there is no indication that they will ever improve.

What a silly OP. As others have noted, in wishing for a cull of old people (Logan's Run, anyone?) she is including Jeremy Corbyn. Or should we abolish secret ballots so we can see what people have voted and spare those "on message"?

Seattle introduced a quite high minimum wage. Backfired badly for reasons people have outlined upthread. For example restaurants and shops reduced their opening hours - it would only be worth opening at peak capacity because of the staffing costs.

You can talk about jc and labour manifesto and try to predict the future but tories are the ones in power and they need to start improving conditions for everyone in this country not just high earners.

Awww bless looks like the usual Tory suspects are still sore about the election, awwww there there

Dont forget OP its us labour supporters that insult everyone, so take your 'deluded', 'ignorant' and 'ageist' opinions elsewhere

If JC and his cronies get in you may as well change your username to WellandTrulyFucked.

In fact, change it now,

Deluded

I know plenty of Tory voters op. They are young, like me, too.

Better than the alternative. Corbyn in power and the country's would be bankrupt in six months.

country

I'm wondering whether ironically the inability of mainly the young JC supporters and remainders inability to grasp the fact they lost is the fact they are part of a generation where you didn't lose, kids were more spoiled and everyone was entitled to what they wanted? Older voters are a bit more meh, seem it done it, everything will come full circle. It's like some major toddler tantrum, things didn't go their way so they are going to throw a fit shouting "it's not fair everyone hates me" until they think they will get what they want!

Because people are increasingly fed up with the government and this mess they've gotten us all into

Its easy to blame 'the government' but its really the people who have demanded money be spent that we never actually had. And ironically the demands from Corbynites are to get us into more and more debt by spending massive amounts of money we dont have.

Op, JC cannot form a government because he would not be able to cobble together a majority in parliament as TM has done.
Short of another general election, the only person who will replace her is another Tory after a leadership campaign.

JC lost fair and square. So he will have the right in 5 years' time or whenever it is to fight again. That is democracy.

Student fees is interesting. Today's paper report the Tories are very firm - that we cannot afford the £8bn a year to fund them out of tax. As a Tory Remainer (who is going to fund 2 at university fully from September) had Corbyn won that would have saved me huge sums (I called it the silver lining in my cloud had Corbyn won) but I bet most Labour voters did not really want to give massive financial gains to people who otherwise would be paying their children's university fees!

I think TM has learnt her lesson and even if there is a leadership change they won't call an election, why would they?

Older people are always more likely to vote conservative and younger labour. This has always been true so people are changing their voting intentions as they get older rather than one generation replacing the other as one does out etc.

Jesus Christ. Anyone else depressed to think that people with the reasoning skills shown here by the OP have a vote?

I'm wondering whether ironically the inability of mainly the young JC supporters and remainders inability to grasp the fact they lost is the fact they are part of a generation where you didn't lose, kids were more spoiled and everyone was entitled to what they wanted?

Exactly this, young children at school today have 'competitions' where everyone wins, they never learn what it feels like to lose and what the appropriate response is. It completely explains this delusion that Jeremy Corbyn 'won' the election.

Awww bless looks like the usual Tory suspects are still sore about the election, awwww there there

Dont forget OP its us labour supporters that insult everyone, so take your 'deluded', 'ignorant' and 'ageist' opinions elsewhere

Just I don't think these words were used as insults, they were used to point out the fallacies or other problems with some of the arguments put forward on this thread. Can I ask

Deluded

• Do you think JC can become PM with the Tories plus DUP having more seats than Labour plus everyone else?

• Do you think our democracy allows for the dissolution of a government and a fresh GE because a minority of people aren't happy with the result of the last one?

Ignorant

• See above

Ageist

• Are you happy with posts about basically discounting the votes for older people as they are just about to die anyway? Do you not think that is in anyway ageist? Or are you outraged about discrimination unless it's towards people who disagree with you?

I'm still laughing at whoever it was who said that Corbyn has charm and charisma.

Op doesnt work like you think. As people grow older than get more right wing so replace those that die. Jc did thankfully not win the election. Tbh all those in politics at the moment are as bad as each other but jc....now he is scary!!!! There someone very cleaver behind him. Notice how he know dresses, how he now holds out his hand. I struggle to vote in the last ge and i would if another called today but the one thing i do know is i do not want jc as pm!!!!!!!!!!!!