To think it's inevitable that JC will be PM and TM should just let it happen ASAP

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They are now pretty much at the same popularity and in the years to come there will be millions more Labour voters and millions of Tory voters that will pass away. It's pretty much a done deal right? So why doesn't TM just go now?

But don't you see it's inevitable as the older voters die and younger people become able to vote?

well those younger people tend to grow up and out of sixth form politics and lots become more conservative as they get older.

OP your speculation that the older voters will die off is really distasteful - these are people's parents and grandparents, actual real human beings that you are so flippantly dismissing not just a cross on a piece of paper. You and people like you should be ashamed.
As for TM just handing over power to Corbyn, grow up. Whether you were pissed when you wrote the OP or not it's a ridiculous idea that makes a mockery of having an election i the first place - why not just flip a coin and keep going until everyone agrees on the result? 🙄

OP of course one day there will be a Labour government!
Then in time it will switch back to Conservative, then Labour again, and so on and so forth.

I get that you are disappointed this time, and if you are not quite old you will live to be elated or disappointed again at some future GE result. I was disappointed throughout the Thatcher years, elated initially with Blair, then disappointed again.

You are going to have to learn to respect the election outcome - as I presume you would want a result that YOU are happy with to be respected in its turn.

Why would another general election be called ?

well those younger people tend to grow up and out of sixth form politics and lots become more conservative as they get older

Aka get richer and more self interest led

OP your speculation that the older voters will die off is really distasteful - these are people's parents and grandparents, actual real human beings that you are so flippantly dismissing not just a cross on a piece of paper. You and people like you should be ashamed

Or even posters themselves. But actually I think the whole "older people's votes don't really count as much as younger people's and shouldn't be given the same credence and respect" is worse than just being horrible on a human level. It is also one step on the way to saying that we shouldn't have universal suffrage for adults. It is a view that has not gone away since the referendum - I saw someone on Twitter suggesting it yesterday - and the OP's posts are a step in that direction.

I do think it says something about the quality of political thought and argument amongst some on the left that there are people who think they are in favour of an egalitarian, inclusive and caring society, but are quite able to countenance dismissing (or at least deeming as less valid) the votes of certain groups of people if it means they get their way.

It doesn't matter what the demographic of the electorate will be in a few years time. We had an election with the electorate now, one person, one vote, and the results are clear. Saying some people's votes count for less than others because of their age is politically deeply undemocratic as well as humanly despicable.

Aka get richer and more self interest led

Have you any evidence for this rather bold statement? I have grown less self interested as I have got older, y'know, what with having children and all that. I imagine that is not unusual.

Considering Corbyn's age,he might just snuff it along with all the old people ...unless you really believe that he will rise again.

This old woman knows all about Marxist socialism and for the first time in ages is looking out the 'other ' passports ,or praying for the arrival of the Grim Reaper.

OP and all the young ones left behind,oh well....'every generation'and all that.

Its the richer bit

What a bizzare thread. Being drunk explains it,,,I guess.

Nothing is certain in politics, the only thing for sure is that the tories won and by over sixty seats, end of, anything else is speculation.

If May goes, another Tory will become prime minister. She would have to call another GE for labour to get in and I doubt any of them will be gagging to do that any time soon.

As for old people dying so less Tory voters ( ffs 😂) the youth are voting labour due to the removal of tuition fees. If the tories just do it or cap it the youth won't be interested any more. In addition, as they leave uni and earn, they will start to vote Tory. Couple with the fact corbyn is knocking on seventy, I think trying to predict the future is a bit silly at this stage, never mind thinking that Teresa may should quit and the tories just give up power and let the party the public didn't vote in just take over. It might have escaped your notice but they won over sixty seats less than the tories, so in an even worse position.

Think you've fallen foul of some wishful thinking.

www.peoplesmomentum.com/about

This is the Labour party now. its being run by Momentum not by the parties grass roots activitists.

this is why Corbyn gets such huge numbers at rallies because Momentum is organised.

I hope all the political parties are taking note.

I am a Labour supporter and a JC fan. I would love to see JC as PM.
However, YABU as our democratic process must be followed and the democracy we have in this country is far more important than any one governments term in office. I don't think it is inevitable that JC will become PM (no matter how much I would like him to be)
It's the same situation as Brexit to me - I voted remain as did DH but when I came to the vote in parliament about whether or not to trigger article 50, if have been pretty pissed off if MPs had blocked it as they canny ignore the results of a democratic referendum... no matter how much I wish we werent leaving the EU!

I also don't think it's as simple as 'Tory voters dying out'
I voted Tory last time. And I think they were saying this a few decades ago. Maybe people shift more to the right as they get older?? I don't know. But it's more complicated than an entire portion of the electorate simply 'dying out'

We live in a democracy and you think we should just bin it because some, but not enough, people voted for the losing team ?

Even if completely pissed that is staggeringly scary.

So what you're really saying OP is that because 2 votes have not gone the way you want, we should just keep having votes till enough people change their minds to give the outcome you want and only then will the result be truly "valid"?

It seems to be a popular view that only Labour voters have the moral high ground, that a vote for the Tories is equivalent to a vote for the devil and that Tories/Brexiteers are either old, stupid or both and therefore it's OK to demean them and villify their opinions. God help us if JC ever is PM. The economy will go to hell in a hand cart.

OP, do you realise that Labour lost the election? They have 55 less seats than the Tories. That's a lot of seats. I don't understand why labour supporters think that they won the election and that the Tories are standing in the way of what is rightfully theirs. There will be a labour government again, of course there will be but there are a good core of us who won't be voting labour until Corbyn and McDonnell are long gone.

The economy is already in hell in a hand cart though.

The economy is not as bad as it could be though.

"The economy is already in hell in a hand cart though"

No it isn't. Far from perfect of course, but inflation and interest rates are low and unemployment is low. However we have far too much debt. If JC was PM, debt would spiral out of control because there is no magic money tree.

If you think now is bad, you don't remember the 70's.

Are you actually for real??

Your theory is all coulda, woulda, shoulda.

I'm sure if people knew we'd actually be leaving the EU, they'd have voted but, democracy doesnt work like that.

there was a magic money tree to buy off the DUP.

I think you are deluded OP.

JC knows that the promises he made to the people that voted for him would be impossible to fund. Had the Tories challenged him more effectively during the run up to the election he would have been caught out.

there was a magic money tree to buy off the DUP.

Indeed.

And there is the issue of growth. With the Tories, they just do not seemed particularly concerned with getting any solid growth propulsion going. I suppose when you are threatening to go over the cliff, it is hard to make a case, but just a bit of solid growth changes the entire scenario.

I'd like to refer some of you to my last post a little further up and remind you that not ALL Labour voters believe that all Tory voters are evil. Nor do we necessarily think we have the moral high ground. In fact, I hate listening to other Labour voters belittle anyone who didn't vote for JC just as much as some of you. I'm not brainwashed or getting carried away with the hype - I did my research and thoroughly believe in Labour's manifesto.
With regards the economy, the national debt and Labour's pledges - it is my understanding that:
Labour did not say that there would be more borrowing to fund their policies. They were fully costed and backed by many independent economists. It appears as though the money is there, it's just not being used in the 'right' areas (right meaning what I believe to be right of course - this is an opinion)
That our national debt has in fact doubled under a Tory government and I am yet to understand where that money has gone/been invested.
That we owe about 75% of that debt to ourselves and pay very favourable interest rates on it.
That the actual amount of debt isn't necessarily the important figure. For comparison, Both the US and Germany owe more than we do snd Greece owes less than we do. The key figure is what our debt is as a % of GDP. I suppose much like what your debt might be as a % of your yearly income.
If our GDP was to Increase, our debt as a % would decrease. A way to increase GDP is to invest in our economy and to put more money in people's pockets By (for example) increasing minimum wage, ending public sector pay caps, offering free child care, cutting/abolishing tuition fees to encourage people to be educated to take higher paying jobs after uni etc etc
Putting money in the pockets of the very wealthy (as is happening now) won't work the same way as they are more inclined to squirrel money away in offshore accounts than to send it in the UK.

I am no expert, however and this is just my opinion. I understand that economics is a very complicated subject and it is not easy for someone of my level of education to grasp. I just wanted to put forward an alternative point of view.

I meant SPEND it in the UK. Stupid phone!